Melbourne Indymedia : Melbourne Indymedia

Over the last week I have attempted to get the site back on track with
features and moderation. But one person can't manage the site. All it
takes is one irate user, like Parrot Press, to undermine the site and
my
efforts.

Basically, irate users and spammers have become more persistent in
their
attacks and without a software upgrade or a collective of several
people
to actively moderate posts and do features, the site is unworkable. If
numbers are insufficient to moderate the site effectively, then the
only
responsible action is to stop open publishing.

I think this is the responsible thing to do for our loyal readers and
contributors, many of whom have openly complained about spam and
crossposts being published and unmoderated. If we suspend publishing I
suggest we link to Sydney IMC for people to post stories.

If or when open publishing is turned off, I shall probably join Sydney
IMC to help with moderation and features.

==Australia wide Indymedia==

Cameron from Sydney IMC has seriously suggested that an Australia wide
site be developed with various newswires according to our needs and
moderated and edited by IMC ppl across Australia. I am now thinking
this
could be viable.

If this proposal goes ahead I would like to see for Melbourne:
* an open newswire and a promoted newswire.
* userids to enable priveledged posting,
* posters being able to choose a comments option: all comments,
approved
comments, or no comments.
* an event calendar for each city/region

I would also like to see at the very least one newswire on the
Australia
wide site being fully catalogued by Google News, and for this to happen
we must show we exercise editorial control over those postings -
basically ensuring articles are factual and of a reasonable standard.

== Suggested statement as Front Page feature:==

Melbourne Indymedia Suspends Publishing

Open publishing has been suspended on Melbourne Indymedia as numbers in
our editorial collective are insufficient to manage the site
effectively
and responsibly. We realise that MIM still plays a vital role in
reporting activist news from Melbourne, Victoria and further afield. To
this end the present collective will be assessing options for how best
to provide an activist news service in the future. If you wish to get
involved, please <a
href="http://melbourne.indymedia.org/contact.php">contact us, or
subscribe to our <a
href="http://melbourne.indymedia.org/mailinglist.php">mailing list.
<p>
While open publishing is suspended, our collective suggests if you have
a well researched, well-written story about Melbourne events, you
should
post the story to Sydney
Indymedia. We thank our many loyal readers and contributors for
several years of grassroots journalism and media activism and hope we
can resume reporting with an even better interface at some stage in the
future.<br>
<i>Melbourne Indymedia Collective</i>

=======================

Discussion, ideas?
--
in solidarity
Takver

Considering the great work done by Melbourne Indymedia it is quite remarkable that it has not been crashed, spammed, hassled more by the State, Corporations, Churches, Political Party Managers etc.
You must be doing something to et so much attention lately (I suspect when ther eis events like G20 here last year, G8 recently in Germany and the upcoming APEC protests in Sydney that the traffic of disruption increases as ONLY INDYMEDIA opens up these events to publishing by those involved. The Powers That be do not like that and seek to channel the information and filter it lite or ban it for the general public.

So if you decide to have like Aotearoa/New Zealand or UK etc an "Australian Indymedia" then that is your call as you crew do the work
and if it makes for a more interesting newswire and informed commentary all the better I reckon.

Keep up the good work !
Don't let the spammers and hate mail etc gets youse down -
a lot of folks read and occasionaly publish on indymedia if they are involved in things ....so it is a great collective effort beyond the individualism of blogs or Corporate run my-space etc.

i don't think its corporations that are disrupting MIM more likely it is some douche bag doing it for kicks.

its a pity that the strength of the open publishing system has a weakness in that it is so easy to post articles the channels can be flooded by a small number or perhaps even a single person

sensible suggestions
by anything to rid the site of abusers Monday June 11, 2007 at 07:27 PM

It's a hard life moderating an fully open site and don't we know it but you will find that a fully moderated site can be managed by a handful of ppl. Min. 6 hour intervals for moderating.

Also, full moderation eliminates the need for user ids, which remains a sensitive security issue. All garbage can be deleted before the public see it and so an end to the idiots and spammers who tried to destroy the site .. they only succeeded in eliminating themselves.

Of course user ids apply to mods and admins but not necessary for contributors -- systems are too easily exploited and such info is valuable to regulators and informers.

Do what you must to regain control and deliver a great site to the Oz public and various activist movements, a few hours deay will not be noticed but the increase in standard and quality posts will.

In solidarity and support.

Ed

Ad-busters example
by verify author to reduce spam Monday June 11, 2007 at 08:02 PM

Thank you, your comments have been sent to the moderator for approval.

Note: Comments must be approved before being posted, and may be edited for length and clarity. Irrelevant and inappropriate comments will be deleted outright. If you have any comments or concerns about this process, feel free to email websubmissions[at]adbusters[dot]org.

The above example is just one tack to take but certainly makes their site well edited and interesting to read with imaginative graphics too...surely not just "takver" and "PC' can take photographs of Melbourne events that is also part of Indymedia world wide and so many people have digital cameras these days so come on please.

hey. there may be a lot more people willing to help out than you think. put the word out and develop a system where people can contribute even an hour a week or something like that to moderating the site.

hang in there melbin.

This is where IndyKid Moderates

Editorial Comment
by Eds
2007-06-11 4:33 PM +0800
"it was moved 100 times then wasn't it? Without any explanation at all?"

We make an editorial comment on every article and comment we move. We also notify our editorial group of any actions we take.

We may move items to appropriate wires for easier clarity - eg a Global story may be transferred to the International Wire, or a Regional item to the Regional Wire. Or an obvious Social discussion article to the Social pages etc. Thats just what we do in an attempt to make the place a useful media resource.

"discussion exists on your front page today. Please tell me what is the difference besides you bias?"

Indeed. Discussion exists everyday on the Perth Indy newswires. Yes we are biased. Of course we are. We are human beings. And we have an editorial policy, written by us to keep this place a credible resource for activism in WA and beyond. We have a low tolerance for abuse.

And from discussing with regular local users of this site we feel we are monitoring the wires effectively, given our small and time deprived group of editors. We also administrate many email lists and other Indymedia websites.

You are bias?
by Adam Ant
2007-06-11 4:40 PM +0800
Do you want to get real you're saying that PIMC is bias? Since when? Can you imagine if a judge was bias?

People who judge others ought to be Impartial and objective what do you say about that?

Of course you suggest that we don't know how to tell the difference between local, regional and international. Why is that?

Link here
Final Ed comment
by Perth IMC Eds
2007-06-11 4:49 PM +0800
Please review our editorial policy before posting:
http://perth.indymedia.org/index.php?action=wiki&page=ed%20policy

You may also find the Perth Indy Guide useful:
http://perth.indymedia.org/?action=wiki&page=PerthIndymedia

We have not got the time to argue with you.

Link here

Why not make a statement in your editorial policy?
by Adam Ant
2007-06-11 4:49 PM +0800
We are bias? Wouldn't that be fair to your readers and posters?

Link here
Show me the part that says you're bias?
by Adam Ant
2007-06-11 4:51 PM +0800
Point me to the section please?

I tell you what ray
by Adam Ant
2007-06-11 4:54 PM +0800
If you've got no ethics then why should we have the respect that you say you want?

Its just a psuedonym used by many folks who use IMCs across the globe...

I'd suggest the main reason Melbourne IMC is stopping posting is because of trolls and arrogant spammers like YOU.

Thanks a fucking lot.

Indy Kid has been shitting posts with spam here for the past week that I know of. With verbal abuse on comments, sleezy underhanded posting of comments prior removals of posts and comments it didn't like.

Seems to me that's not the way to get a site back on track.

You don't even know what spam is or truth or integrity. I didn't see any other work from the person who called it self indykid/spaminator did you?

As a contributor I have made 226 distinct original article contributions over the last 4 years. Thats an average of one a week. Check the link at the bottom of this comment. Unlike you, I won't bore the readers with having to go through the list if they don't want to.

Not very much you say. You have probably posted 5 or ten times as many. But then each of mine is an original report in my own words, many with several sources, many with original photos, a few with audio reports. Not quite the same as the paraphrasing and crossposting that you engage in.

Still not very much? Then add in that I have probably written or editorially contributed to up to 90% of centre column features over the last 4 years, probably averaging about 5-7 per week over the last 4 years. In the process reading at least the summary and often much more of 90% of articles posted on the site including yours.

Still not enough? I have also contributed to the hidding of tens of thousands of commercial, porn, abuse, libellous, and vacuous spam to the site, including hidding more than 200 articles by yourself or those associated by you in the last 4 days. Have you any idea how tedious and boring it is to judge hidding a comment: is it racist, sexist, libellous, duplicate, does it interrupt the flow of argument, is it relevant to the original article? Occasionally we get it wrong and get abused for it, and mostly we take such abuse in silence.

Vera tried to give you a warning as a site admin, just as other regular users of the site have tried to tell you to moderate your postings and crosspostings. What did you do?: launched abuse and porn spam at the site. Vera's response? accept such abuse in silence and not try to inflame the situation.

Well your persistence has paid off and you have been the last straw that broke the Melbourne Indymedia camel back.

The funny thing is as a site mod and regular contributor I did not mind many of your posts, as long as the volume did not overwhelm contributions by others. As site mods we always tried to be flexible erring on the side of freedom of expression more than censorship and often being publicly pilloried for it.

This site allowed you to develop your writing and publishing skills. It allowed Professor Rat to vent his spleen. Last year it allowed a middle aged woman involved in one of those lengthy industrail disputes with a community picketline, who had never even heard of Indymedia, to post picketline reports on the local newswire which we made into features and those original stories from the picketline were indexed by Google News alongside the reports in the Age and Herald Sun of the dispute. Her voice was heard to a much wider audience, through us.

That is what you have destroyed. The potential for many other original voices to be heard through this site. All because you wanted to get YOUR word out of mostly regurgitated corporate media reports and refused to hear the citicism of other users and a site mod.

Of course sf-active software is open source so you are free to set up your own open publishing media site with your own editorial policy. I hope the people that post on it have far more respect for the other users than you ever showed for the readership and contributors to Melbourne Indymedia and the editorial policy of the site.

So you wanted to get the word out to people, did you? Well, you have certainly thrown a spanner in the works with that idea by basicly hounding the site editors to the closure of open publisjhing on this site. Particularly aggressive viruses behave in a similar way by destroying their host until its dead - not the best idea unless they can ensure another host nearby to leap onto.

I hope Perth and Sydney IMCs are well innoculated. Good luck with your next host.

Takver
One Melbourne IMC editor and moderator

I just got back from a little road trip and read the news about MIM and I'm saddened that it had to come to closing the newswire. I shall no longer be able to post my stories like...

No yoga for Jesus freaks
by a hopi indy
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/116718.php

or

¡FUK TRAMSTOP ADS!
by a hopi indy
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/116469.php

and recently...

ADVERT exploits climate change to sell shit
by a hopi indy
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/05/144775.php

...even

Call for more action againt Fluoridation
by a hopi indy
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/04/143304.php

...but it is more tragic for activism in Melbourne.

I know I'm a bit of a hack when it comes to writing articles but I have really enjoyed reading and contributing my original comments over the years.

WTF did you do PP? I had my own problems with Parrot Press and voiced them in a different thread about a week ago. It seems the bird-shit really has been hitting the fan since then. I think it was 'spaminator' said that it was like PP was a secret agent set to destroy MIM while pretending to be some kind of active ingredient. And from where I'm sitting I can almost see the structures those visitors built on the moon.

I hope the newswire stays open long enough to get to the bottom of this conspiracy.

Looks like I've got to gets me a new big black texta.

a hopi indy
(a bit of a troll journalistic hack with deep dark a secret)

As contributors we have never counted our distinct original articles contributions over the last 5 years. That's an average of 0 per week that we never bothered to count. Why would we count our contributions? Why would we have to check the link to yours? Is that statement suggesting that you're better than us? Unlike you, we report daily news like we said we didn't bother to count because whether they are your words or news of the day we don't see any difference whatsoever in terms of 'getting the word out'.

So the fact that each one of your articles is original doesn't mean anything. Unless you can prove that we don't produce original articles. We posted plenty of original graphics as well. That means not jus taking a photo but design whick can take a lot longer to do time wise.

Then again the idea that you are better than us is just rubbish and self-adoration the fact that you want to put yourself up as better than others when we have proved on this page alone that your ethics and standing don't add up. Lying to people, being sleazy by posting comments prior removals and making out that the comment came from someone else is below ethics. If this site wanted 'standing' then why didn't it choose to be 'open and honest' with its readers? We think truth and honesty rate. What does that say for your original stories?

You say, "Still not very much? Then add in that I have probably written or editorially contributed to up to 90% of centre column features over the last 4 years, probably averaging about 5-7 per week over the last 4 years. In the process reading at least the summary and often much more of 90% of articles posted on the site including yours."

True there is not enough space here for us to post our original stories and we didn't put them in one place but as you're aware we can show you very long lists of them if we wanted to.

I, I, I, I, what about Us, Us, Us, Us, no wonder you produced less and us more if that is in fact the case?

You say, "Still not enough? I have also contributed to the hiding of tens of thousands of commercial, porn, abuse, libellous, and vacuous Spam to the site, including hiding more than 200 articles by yourself or those associated by you in the last 4 days.

Then how about you produce the articles of ours that you hid and tell us why you hid them? That all come back to your biases doesn't it? If you don't like anothers ideology then you hid it. What does that suggest? Bias!

You say, " Have you any idea how tedious and boring it is to judge hiding a comment: is it racist, sexist, libellous, duplicate, does it interrupt the flow of argument, is it relevant to the original article? Occasionally we get it wrong and get abused for it, and mostly we take such abuse in silence.

Once again you imagine that others comments have not been racist, sexist, libellous, duplicate, and does it interrupt the flow of argument? What are people to do when they have been grossly attacked especially when it has come from people like IndyKid spaminator? What about those ethics and standards that would do better for in the long run by being open and honest instead of sneaky sleazy and downright underhanded? Low life tactics from your mods over this past week that have no doubt caused you a lot more work and no doubt belong in the gutter?

You say, "Vera tried to give you a warning as a site admin, just as other regular users of the site have tried to tell you to moderate your postings and crosspostings. What did you do?: launched abuse and porn spam at the site. Vera's response? accept such abuse in silence and not try to inflame the situation."

We never ever produced abuse and porn Spam? You and your mods made the Spam we produce only genuine or moderated corporate material in relation to news. When are you going to stop lying? Produce that material if you say that we did? If anything was posted in a brief example it was because you were posting Spam to our articles why was that? It appeared that you did not know what the meaning of Spam was? Why was that?

You say, "Well your persistence has paid off and you have been the last straw that broke the Melbourne Indymedia camel back."

Yet any reader on this site knows different and that your tactics were so gross trying to undermine our material that anyone can see that. We even proved it which is what we do best. 'Investigative reports exposing injustice'.

You say, " This site allowed you to develop your writing and publishing skills."

This site made it self available to the general public no one is denying that. Good for you. That doesn't give this site the power and control to be underhanded, lie, cheat and maintain a bias against Parrot Press based on your notions does it?

You say, "That is what you have destroyed."

How did you form that conclusion? In our humble oinion if it has been destroyed, as you say, then MIMC had a role in it self destruction.

It was everybody else? Why is that? We are not the majority of posters on this site for a start? Why didn't your mob play any role as you say in its own destruction, if you say it's destroyed, by using destructive tactics?

You say, "The potential for many other original voices to be heard through this site. All because you wanted to get YOUR word out of mostly regurgitated corporate media reports and refused to hear the citicism of other users and a site mod."

Excuse me; we are not the only people who wanted to get the word out.

But now you say it was our entire fault? Why is that? We have no intention to set up anything but ethics and standards that include telling the truth, that obviously, by reading the current posts, that you have shown to lack.

So you didn't want to get the word out to people you wanted a Walkley award? Do we clap? A standing ovation? What about a medal of honour?
How about the indymedia cross for being so underhanded and down right foolish?

You blame everyone else but not yourselves for hounding this site you say, but you have taken no fault of your own why is that?

Anyone reading the current material would not suggest that we hounded this site but that someone inside was undermining this site.

Sam Miles.

This is why your mob decided to hid the truth: Because the truth hurts and it was too difficult for you to take any blame for ethics that belong in the gutter. At least we prove what we say which is not what you do. Ain't that the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me God!

..Spaminator 3
by mel Saturday June 09, 2007 at 07:13 PM

Hi ladies and gents meet your new MIM mod.
Well you've heard of terminator now meet your new MIM mod spaminator/indykid come MIM - come verbal abuser who spammed the newswire on some posts here last week cause he couldn't find the words. And doesn't even know the meaning of spam.

=============================
Who are you kidding?

Caught you red handed posting and deleting comments here Perth Indykid/spaminator so we proved it with your posts on the front page of PIMC. Comments there from you for everyone to see. Soon work it out that spamaminator and IndyKid Mod are one in the same we weren't born yesterday.

===========================

Note the vitriol and childish insults
by Indy Kid 2007-06-07 1:51 PM +0800
Ah the insanity of it all. All I wanted to say was that I consider what you are doing to be spamming - a quick peek at Melbourne Indymedia reveals a very similar argument.

http://perth.indymedia.org/?action=newswire&parentview=67198

==========================

Link here
Whats a MIM? How many pseudonyms does one troll need?
by Indy Kid 2007-06-07 10:39 PM +0800
I'm not even stating a case. I merely pointed out that repetitive posting of unwanted shit is spamming.

http://perth.indymedia.org/?action=newswire&parentview=67198

==============================

Now fucknuckle eat it because you lie through your teeth. What are we doing with a spamming lying troll mod on MIM from Perth? Couldn't anyone in Melbourne do the job?

Wasn't born yesterday
by mel Saturday June 09, 2007 at 03:26 AM

Forget the paranoia
by Indykid Friday June 08, 2007 at 03:40 PM

spaminator is not a moderator. The only mods commenting in these threads have signed themselves Vera (MIMC) and Indykid. No other contributors are MIM site editors, they are just regular users like you subject to the same editorial policy.

http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/06/146132_comment.php#146223

Related:

-What is spam?-
The mods have brought to our attention that we spam the newswire? Firstly, the mod doesn't know what spam is? So how can they decide that we are spam? Next this imbecile is trying to destroy the work we do by posting endless crap to our articles. Furthermore that is what you call verbal abuse!
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/06/146209.php

Who owns the comment?
It has been brought to our attention by IMC that comments and the comment section is up to the person who doesn't like the comment? Not the person who made such comment?
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/06/146060.php

Analysis: comment abuse
by insideout Friday June 08, 2007 at 12:12 AM
Example of some comment abuse.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/06/146132.php

parrot spam Thread
by spam parrot (& intro by Vera (MIMC) Tuesday June 05, 2007 at 05:50 PM
A thread for Parrot Press to crosspost freely in. Parrot Press, please keep your comments related to the original article or they will be summarily hidden, deleted or transferred here at the discretion of any MIMC editor. Vera (MIMC)
parrot parrot spam spam
spam parrot parrot spam
spam spam parrot spam
spam parrot spam parrot
spam parrot parrot parrot
spam parrot parrot parrot
spam spam parrot spam
spam spam spam parrot
parrot parrot spam spam
spam parrot parrot spam
spam spam parrot spam
spam parrot spam parrot
spam parrot parrot parrot
spam parrot parrot parrot
spam spam parrot spam
spam spam spam parrot
(link)

Etc etc etc
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/06/145931.php

parrot spam
by spam parrot Tuesday June 05, 2007 at 05:49 PM
parrot parrot spam spam
spam parrot parrot spam
spam spam parrot spam
spam parrot spam parrot
spam parrot parrot parrot
spam parrot parrot parrot
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/06/145884_comment.php#145930

All comming from your mod mind you. So much for fucking trolls.

Don't hate the media be a troll?????????????????

Troll ol ul galah!

ps
by mel Saturday June 09, 2007 at 04:48
Don't worry about trying to delete anymore raw material spaminator/IndyKid/ cause we got all evidence copied for further use.

Cran wham thank you troll
by Mel Saturday June 09, 2007 at 10:50 AM
We're here to protect the integrity of the site and we won't let lying scheming spamming troll moderatorsr like IndyKid/spaminators ruin the newswire and until that's fixed, we deal with that first!
Truth hurts!

for all and sundry
by mel Saturday June 09, 2007 at 04:55 PM
Twice today the mod indy/kid spaminator placed this ad prior attempts to remove an article as follows:

===============================

SPAM CLUB
by repeater Saturday June 09, 2007 at 01:25 PM

what is the problem mods?
Now the idiots are spamming with spam titles and comments -- the whole affair is designed to irritate and make thorough fools of YOU!

JUST DELETE IT!!!

WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH THESE IDIOT SPAMMERS???

Their posts amount to tedious repetative drivel SPAM.

Clean up this site you bunch of incompetents, geeeeeesh!

=============================

He then waits for a fair bit of time to pass then subsequently deletes the post because in the eyes of the reader he thinks then everyone watching will see fit to aprove of the removal, right or wrong as a service for the clients.

That's how sly our current mod is.

Here is a link to the next attempt
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/06/146209_comment.php#146307

He did this this morning on the newswire as well usually about our posts that expose him.

Now Takver and the mob take into account that what you 'say' is not what you get!!! In our opinion what you need is a libel suit for deformation!

Cut 'N' Paste
Cut n Paste is a tool of the journalists trade like a hammer and a nail are to a carpenter.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/06/146486.php

..Spaminator 3
Hi ladies and gents meet your new MIM mod.
Well you've heard of terminator now meet your new MIM mod spaminator/indykid come MIM - come verbal abuser who spammed the newswire on some posts here last week cause he couldn't find the words. And doesn't even know the meaning of spam.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/06/146371.php

-What is spam?-
The mods have brought to our attention that we spam the newswire? Firstly, the mod doesn't know what spam is? So how can they decide that we are spam? Next this imbecile is trying to destroy the work we do by posting endless crap to our articles. Furthermore that is what you call verbal abuse!
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/06/146209.php

Faheem Lodhi to appeal 20-year jail sentence
Lodhi's lawyer, Philip Boulten SC, told the court fresh evidence had come to light as a result of more recent proceedings, but did not give further detail.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/06/146084.php

Who owns the comment?
It has been brought to our attention by IMC that comments and the comment section is up to the person who doesn't like the comment? Not the person who made such comment?
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/06/146060.php

What are you voting for?
Lib/Lab is not going to stop the war or give you your civil liberties back.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/06/145932.php

Australia watching home grown threats: expert?
He should know he comes from the bombing capital of the Pacific Indonesia who incidentally needs a terrorism expert to do his job!!!
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/06/145914.php

Howard warns against 'change for change's sake'?
Now if we get these decisions wrong about you and your party, and you burden the Australian community with no place to live, nothing, than ought otherwise be the case, you via us will inflict life threatening damage to all Australians and inflict great pain on all Australian lifestyles and future. So we're not going to get it wrong are we!!!
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/06/145783.php

printable version - email this article
Let's be alert about campaigns that alarm us
NOTICED anything suspicious lately? Just in time for the upcoming federal election, Help Protect Australian from Terrorism ads are reappearing on television screens and bus stops in cities all over Australia.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/05/145721.php

Sydney political scapegoats plead not guilty
At a committal hearing earlier this year, it was alleged that police went on a fishing expedition of a few suburbs to find alleged material you'd pick up at the shops or on the internet.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/05/145696.php

Pleae note these are original stories over the past week!!!

Excuse me Mr.
But um I'M a mister too and you're giving Mr's a bad name. Mr like you!

Run it through your hair. Check every link and then go take a long hard look into the mirror and get with the truth.

I suppose if you don't like the evidence put before you that you have the 'power' and 'control' to delete what we say and to continue to delete it if we so happen to continue to post it because it expose you and your ilk for what you're really up to.

When you take into account PIMC editorial comment above about their alleged right to bias, regardless of 'impartiality' or 'objectivity' that anyone has the right to expect from people who are judging them then that says it all.

If you want standing in any community you have to have reasonable ethics and efficacy. If you don't have those values from the start to finish then you're bound to winding people up and raising the roof with tension.

This is what we do without your gross interfearance. So why didn't it happen here?

http://adelaide.indymedia.org/media/index.php
http://adelaide.indymedia.org/media/index.php?limit_start=12
http://adelaide.indymedia.org/media/index.php?limit_start=36

Now tell us about the truth.

We all want to know!

Open publishing will be suspended on Melbourne Indymedia as numbers in our editorial collective are insufficient to manage the site effectively and "responsibly".

Please keep on running MIM, it is a much needed source of free media for victorians. You have done a great job, don't give up now.

You have done a great job but after reading the article and subsequent comments you could do better.

Instead of attacking genuine people you need a new motto.

OPEN AND HONEST PUBLISHING

people can judge you by your contributions of late to the hidden wire
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/?display=f

I Sent you an email to complain about the service why didn't you respond there. Whatever is not good enough. Why set yourself up for a fall? Every day we're searching for the truth isn't that what we do best? Then how can you just delete the truth? Makes no sense at all really. Act responsibly and then there is no need to hid from the truth.

Freedom

All my life I have searched for clues
This is what they taught me
Every mystery I pursued
Was a secret I already knew
Deep down you know - in your soul
Love is in control
Oh, if you could find the angel within
Time, time to have faith in your wings

Free - everybody's free
In the new day that's coming
Freedom for all is our destiny

Every stone that I left unturned
Soon came back to haunt me
Every fall, every finger burned
Was a step on the road to truth
That I am you - my soul
You are not alone
Oh, when your heart is turned to stone
Love, love is the only way home

Free - everyone's free
In the new day that's coming
Freedom for all is our destiny

Freedom from shame
Freedom from fear
Freedom to live - it's your right to be here

Unity of minds... unity of hearts... one sole sensation... no longer a
coincidence...
Overwhelming energy... channeled... through universal language allows
the personal legend to unfold

Robert Miles
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