Thousands rally for David Hicks : Melbourne Indymedia

On Saturday December 9, thousands of people gathered in the centre of Melbourne to call for the immediate release of David Hicks and closure of the Guantanamo prison camp.

The rally was held at Federation Square, and was the largest of several events taking place around Australia as part of a National Day of Action, marking five years that Hicks has spent imprisoned without trial.

Around 5,000 members of the public braved the high temperatures, to express their outrage at the Australian government’s treatment of Hicks. Speeches were given by Nicole Bieske (Amnesty International), Senator Bob Brown (The Greens), Tasneem Chopra (Islamic Women’s Welfare Council of Victoria), Michelle O’Neill (TCFU), Shadow Attorney-General Nicola Roxon MP (Labor), Rob Stary (Robert Stary & Associates), Les Thomas (Civil Rights Defence), and Brian Walters SC (Liberty Victoria).

Since being arrested by the Northern Alliance and sold to the American military, David Hicks has been interned without trial or charge for five years. He has suffered various methods of torture and sensory deprivation, and countless interrogations. He is currently held in solitary confinement, with the lights in his cell turned on 24 hours a day.

The Australian government has been complicit in this gross violation of human rights, refusing to call for Hicks' release, and continuing to express faith in the Bush administration's discredited military commissions, which are condemned by the Australian Law Council, the Red Cross and the British government among many others. PM John Howard, Attorney-General Philip Ruddock, and Foreign Minister Alexander Downer have shown contempt for the rule of law, failed in their duty of care, and have become involved in one of the most disgraceful human rights abuses of our time.

Fools, goddam fools.. it is not about DAVID HICKS AT ALL!!

David Hicks does NOT exist any more! david is just a distant memory like Cat Stewens, who disappeared and bake Yosef Islam..

David is gone forever and he is now in the shape of Mohammad Islamabad, or something close.

And the Greens pretty Senator would be better to wish him back for next RHAMADAN because Mr Muhammad (former "david") does not care for Christian Chrismas

Go easy on him, realist.

He's WHITE

Actually, 'realist', you're wrong as well as bigoted! If you had done your research, you would know that Hicks is no longer a Muslim. I suggest you read Moazzam Begg's 'Enemy Combatant' if you want to find out more.

prick

Hello Bill, you're wrong as well as blinkered! If you had done your research, you would know that this Aussie hick is still a devoted muslim!

Like cat Stevens he got a new IDENTITY and it is Muhammad something-something!

Once a a Muslim you are a Muslim forever BECAUSE Islam do not permit leaving Islam! Sharia law demand DEATH for failing Islam. It is EASY to enter Islam (Repeat three times a short mantra. that it!) but leaving is FORBIDDEN and dangerous. We dont make the rules - ISLAM DOES!!!

Judaism is the complete opposite - dead hard to get in, easy-peasy to get out! Christienity is a revolving door - easy in, easy out -cos it is up to yiu!

On this subject and respectfully: What is former david hicks chosen and preferred name - apart from Muhammad?

Come on, someone must know davids (non-jewish king-name) name today???

Did they lock David Hicks up because he converted to Islam already? I thought it was because he was in the Taliban.

At that time I don't believe the Taliban was even a terrorist organization. They even received positive airtime on CNN to justify blowing up the Buddha Statues before 9/11. I've heard a recording of that interview on CNN in which they also were justifying the oppression against women.They were funded and supported by Uncle Sam.

Did they lock Cat Stevens up for 5 years without a trial because he was a Muslim? Well, they did once refuse him entry into Sam's plantation.

Anyway, I agree with the point of "...it is not about DAVID HICKS AT ALL!!" It is about - "first they came for the Muslims but I said nothing for I was not a Muslim" - type of stuff.

Is it Muhammad Davinski-Hocus Hickleberry-Pocus?

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT HE IS .. WE SUPPORT OR SHOOT OUR OWN! WHAT A GUTLESS, MISERABLE BUNCH OF CRINGING NO IDENTITES WE REALLY ARE .. TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT OUR FACE AND WEEP! JOHNNY LEADS A BUNCH OF JOHNNYS .. THAT IS THE TRUTH.

FIVE FUCKIN YEARS TO WAKE UP TO THE HICKS INJUSTICE .. ON THAT RECORD IT WOULD TAKE 100 YEARS FOR HOWARD TO ANSWER FOR HIS WAR CRIMES, YOU BUNCH OF NOTHINGS ..

IS LATE BETTER THAN NEVER WHEN TIME IS RUNNING OUT? .. ASK YOURSELF THAT!

JAIL HOWARD THE WAR CRIMINAL .. IS THAT TOO DIFFICULT A CONCEPT/PROPOSITION OR ARE WE JUST A BIT SLOW ON THE UPTAKE .. THIS IS NO LONGER THE COUNTRY I USED TO CALL MY OWN?

AUSSIES .. FORGET IT!

OINK!

Once a joyless slave man
Camped by a bottle shop
Under the shade of an apathy tree
And he drank as he watched
Hicks rot in Torture Bay
You’ll come and cop it in the arse with me

Waltzing complacency
Waltzing to oblivion

You’ll come and cop it in the arse with me!

JAIL HOWARD and kill all the birds with one stone!

We love you Johnny O yes we doo, cos we are cowards just like yoooo...

GET FUCKED!

lol realist you sound genuinely frightened...
fear of a Moslem planet...
must be rough being locked up in that xenophobic little head.
I for one am looking forward to the day when your version of Australia - Anglo dominated - is dead.

Ever noticed where the 'civilisation' in our civilisation came from? Inherited from the East. Like it or not, 'realist', we're the barbarians, not the Others. We're the unwashed hordes who burned the libraries and killed and raped and brought destruction.

Now we're going to pay in blood for these crimes.

Im not a Moslem but Id prefer the greater southern Caliphate than the Australia your kind tried to build...

before being run out of town.

For what it's worth, the torch of civilization (as far as that can be defined) has been handed around throughout history amongst various groups. Pointing out where it has been before is always a little amusing, since it sounds so much like a sports fan clinging to his team's heyday in the 50s because they can't kick a goal for him any more, and then that makes the process of civilization appear to be a football game, which is even funnier.

No matter which team is the current champ, football is the winner.

You may be right, David. A hardline theocracy could be a change for the better. Certainly start making you activists really earn your title, and keep these upstart women in line... Oh hang on, I don't actually want to see any of you guys beheaded in a town square, and I've got a daughter now: forget about it.

Im working on the principle that a thousand years ago when there were Caliphates stretching from Spain to India Islam was not a hardcore fundamentalist religion. It was broadminded, pluralist, with many different schools of thought - it was challenged and changed by all of the cultures it had come into contact with.

Meanwhile, at that time Christian families didn't let women out of the house on their own. At the same period Christianity was enormously fundamentalist and murderous - the crusades were the product of this period of greatest barbarism for the West.

When I consider a hypothetical Caliphate, Im thinking of a future Australian version of Cordoba circa 1050AD... more civilised and liberal places and eras are few and far between.

The idea that Osama bin Laden's brand of Islam is dominant is propaganda... the idea that Islam is necessarily associated with oppression is also propaganda. I'm not negating short-comings, and its not cool to think how a society can regress when it's kept down by more powerful neighbours (again, parallels with the West a millennia ago). But I do see another side to Islam than that most commonly portrayed - a beautiful culture, an enlightened civilisation. The Islam broad minded enough to embrace Sufism and stop the persecution of Coptics, Orthodox Christians, and Jews living within the Islamic empire.

Anyway, it's not all bombs and burkhas.

why do u slaves persist? religion has passed its use by date .. its just another word for divsionism, murder and mayhem dressed in sheeps clothing to make it palatable.

FACE FACTS, SLAVES! religion equals death and destruction in today's world. But its handy when you are a coward and need the dutch courage of numbers.

HAS ANYONE HEARD FROM THE GOD OF THE EVANGEICALS THAT SUPPORTED BUSH? Noooo, they are too embarrassed to show their stupid faces ... 30 million idiots supported Bush just shows where their 'God' is at! A MORON GOD FOR MORONS .. as are all GODs

SHOW ME YOUR GOD AND I WILL SHOW U AN IDIOT WITH A BOOK THAT MEN WROTE.

o, and the torch of civilisation may be passed around, but we're late to it - everyone else had a turn first. Cultures half a dozen times older than Western culture can plausibly claim to look on us as savages...especially what with all the killing and looting. I'm saying we're the barbarian periphery, like the hun were once. Beyond the reach of the civilised world until only a couple of millennia ago. .... so naturally we construct a history of civilisation a couple of millennia long and call it 'history.' It's exactly what an infant civilisation would do.

But agreed, it's not so clear cut as to suggest our empires were entirely evil and others were places of light and joy. The enlightened Moslem empire was obtained in a similar manner to ours. Its estimated a million white slaves were taken from northern Europe before the seventeenth century.

Im English, and therefore loathe to mention what I think might be the better aspects of the British Empire, since an entirely justified lynching could ensue.

But like Moslem civilisation after centuries of Empire we're benefiting in the West from exposure to other - and more ancient - civilisations.

and use by date...
you need to think things through a little more deeply...
try descartes, and st augustine

Your complaints are valid, from my perspective, but not against all adherents of religion. Im not religious myself, but unless you can refute serious metaphysical arguments for the existence of a sentient all (the intersubjective sum of all sentience) as part of a totality of everything, you can't dismiss religion so easily...

the metaphysics don't dissolve just because you're vehement in your dislike of the sad and perverted Salt Lake City version of Christianity.

That's like holding up al Zakarwy as an example of a Moslem to beat all Moslems with. Totally unreasonable, given that Sufi mystics spent centuries developing a notion of god - or Allah - far more sophisticated and nebulous and non-anthropomorphised than al Zakarwy's supreme deity.

You refer to an outside sentient (what?) Sentience is a purely human attribute/characteristic, tho some would say that animals have a degree.

I am familiar with descartes, mr. obsession with the first person personal pronoun, "I" and a host of other idiots from monks to imams to rumi, augustine, calvin and a herd of other mystics and theologians AND THEY ALL HAVE THIS IN COMMON, THEIR EXPERIENCES ARE TOTALLY PERSONAL ie they do not relate to an outside principle; experience is not transferable .. in other words they are purely subjective or relative to the experient!

I'm not enamoured with words as u are -- I prefer passion and a baseball bat, the clarity of unpolluted response does not need any justification or GOD to sanction it ... I am NO SLAVE, tho like most I was indoctrinated into the slavery of capitalism, religion, mysticism, bicycle seat collecting, pussy snorting, etc

rumi as poet is sublime but i have a weakness for good literature from whatever source .. Lao Tsu's Tao remains the quintessential treatise on existence (No GODS allowed). it (Tao) cannot be approached by regulators or religionists. Pure genius! Compare that to the blood and guts of the Abrahamic religions of morons, fanatics and killers. Gutless slaves, in other words.

FREEDOM is also a personal experience -- and cannot be transferred, pity, u would like it!

Oi, rigger,

"I prefer passion and a baseball bat, the clarity of unpolluted response does not need any justification or GOD to sanction it ... I am NO SLAVE, tho like most I was indoctrinated into the slavery of capitalism, religion, mysticism, bicycle seat collecting, pussy snorting, etc"

couldnt 'ave put it betta miself, bruv! Oi, Oi, Oi!

i think i'll add slave bashin to pig thumpin as acceptable passtimes and recreational pursuits .. what do you think ol' chap?

It seems the locking up of Hicks has manifested into a modern day outbreak of drapetomania once again.

These words he speaks are true
We're all humanary stew
If we don't pledge allegiance to...

but then there is always the tao

They were all used by coWARd, Raddock, Downer et al.
Dick Cheney created 9/11, which has made all Muslims and Arabs 'terrorists' or 'terror suspects' when they had nothing to do with that day really.

When obeying their orders, coWARd needed some 'example' to say to the population, "See, we'd better be careful with these Muslims."

That's how David, Mamdouh and Jack came handy for them.

They simply USED and ABUSED them,
And in David's case, still TORTURING him.

Mamdouh and Jack are still made to suffer because the society is all brainwashed with coWARd's propaganda.

9/11 Truth will eventually clear their absolute false allegation and that's when li'l Johnny should go to jail.

Oh yeah, I wonder how successful the citizens can be when looking at AWB scandal.

I bet the deal is now, "If you ever speak anything about our knowledge on this issue, you'll stay in jail forever" is what was told to those CEOs eh?

Anyway,
Let's demand justice for David, Mamdouh and Jack!!

If u had done your research, you would know that this Aussie hick is still a devoted Muslim! He got no choice in this!

Like Cat Stevens (rip) who is now a new man as Yosef "A for Allah" Islam, david hicks too has got a new IDENTITY and it is Muhammad something-something!

Once a Muslim you are a Muslim forever BECAUSE Islam do not permit leaving Islam! Sharia Law demand DEATH for apostates that become TRAITORS to Islam. Islam is not like other religions and ignorant naive people obviously think so.

Unfortunately it is very EASY to enter Islam. Just repeat three times a short mantra that says that you believe Muhammad is the big prophet and Allah is the only God, and that's it, you are a Muslim! BUT leaving is FORBIDDEN and very dangerous. Bloody hard to leave Islam alive! Remember, we don't make the rules - ISLAM DOES!!!

Judaism is the complete opposite - bloody hard to get in, easy-peasy to get out! Christianity is the revolving door of free choice - easy in, easy out -cos it is up to you what you wanna do!

On this subject and respectfully: What is former david hicks chosen and preferred name - apart from Muhammad? Come on, someone must know davids (non-Jewish king-name) name today???

Someone must know his preferred name??

The issue is an Australian citizen held in a concentration camp illegally ... whether he is a Jew, Muslim, Christian or just a plain dickhed is NOT the issue. The issue is Oz governemt and its disgusting failure in its responsibilities and duty of care to its citizens ...

if the yanks had a real case they would have paraded him in front of the world by now, (un)realistic Howard supporting prick!

We are not DISTRACTED!!

According to the Old Testament, the Holy Scripture to both Jews and Christians, God (Allah in Arabic) promised Abraham (or Ibrahim) the land of Canaan (present day Israel & Palestine).

What the Orthodox Jews and Fundamentalist Christians keep on forgetting is that this promise is based on a covenant or agreement. The covenant promised that Abraham would have many descendants and Canaan would be their everlasting possession if they remain faithful to God (Gen. 17:4-8). To remain faithful means to follow God’s laws. Among them are the following:

1) You shall not kill
2) You shall not steal
3) You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
4) You shall not covet your neighbor's house or anything that belongs to your neighbor
5) Love your neighbor as your self

All these laws are being violated by the state of Israel. There are so many United Nations General Assembly resolutions that the State of Israel and the United States of America violates and/or taken for granted and that they get way with it just shows that the UN is not really effective and democratic. The problems in the Middle East should have long been resolved if they had followed these resolutions.

(It should be noted that the Arabs trace their ancestry to Abraham’s oldest son, Ishmael while the Jews consider Abraham their ancestor through another son, Isaac)

It should also be noted that all major religions are supposed to teach love and caring for others:

Do not to others what ye do not wish done to yourself, and wish for others too what ye desire and long for yourself – Hinduism

Make thine own self the measure of the others, and so abstain from causing hurt to them - Buddhism

What you do not wish for yourself, do not do to others – Confucianism

Love thy neighbour as thyself. That is the entire Law; all the rest is commentary – Judaism

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you – Christianity

No one of you is a believer until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself – Islam
Blessed is he who preferred his brother before himself - Baha'i Faith

In three words all man made Gods and religions are put to shame:

"WE ARE ONE"

Send us your rabbis, imams, priests, monks and theologians and we will show you slave merchants and LIARS -- GOD is a narrative character and most of them are total unjust arseholes .. ever wondered why those miraculous feats can not be reproduced today by even the most staunch believer?

Cos its PURE FANTASY for slaves, kiddies and morons.

Sorry but the issue is not religion .. ever heard of an illegally incarcerated Australian by the name of David Hicks??

The amount of religionist slaves and mindless morons that visit this site is quite astounding.

Don't march. Don't yell. Don't chant.

Just VOTE the fucker out.

In silence. Slip that little sucker into the ballot box nice and quietly.

Let the people have their say.

Respect their collective decision.

Then SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Thank you.

shoot the cunt (and his front bench) instead, its cleaner and far more effective than Rudd as PM .. just another puppet singing a familliar tune (with slightly different lyrics).

all the TV watchers out there believe the little arsehole voting is not a sure solution

they fuckin love the little rodent, russ .. when did u fly in (and from where)??

jay, fair perspective for someone who's Australian (Im assuming) and naturally has a defence against the idea that you're not entitled to be here.

Im not Australian, Im English. One way or another Im not entitled to be here. Because my people stole half the world and we're still living off the spoils.

From my perspective this is something all Europeans in Australia are culpable for - it's not that there's any clear answer as to what's wrong or right... more that if the shit hits the fan for whitey in Australia it's Fair Enough and Only To Be Expected. Not something we'll be entitled to complain about terribly much.

Of course we're one people - humanity - in one sense. But in another sense we're very much the product of specific histories. European, for example. The 500 who stood at Thermopylae and defended the West against the Persian invasion means little to Indigenous Australians. But its pivotal history for me, because the survival of my culture hinged on this moment. Like the moment that Hannibal stood beneath the walls of Rome, and nearly made our linguistic and cultural precursors Carthaginians rather than Romans.

We're all from specific places, specific tribes, specific lineage. These things define us whether we like it or not. The idea that some sort of 'universal' culture can replace the specifics of our origins actually represents the attempt to morph Western anglo culture into a global version 2.0. But this project is most detrimental to Western anglo culture, which is torn up from its roots and slowly dissipating. Western European culture has a place - Western Europe.

Since we're still benefiting from the crimes of our ancestors, we're still responsible for them. If we gave up all of the spoils, I'd say that absolves the responsibility. But we're not.

and marathon... wow way to homogenise.. so you want one culture across the whole planet and that's it? Sounds like socialism to me... a litte Khmer Rouge for my liking... obliterate all religion, all people are alike... what happens to people who persist with religious practise under your regime? Beheaded in the town square?

ye rumi is sublime... writes better narratives than all of the West's cheesy subjective science put together.... science is just another system of myths from where Im standing... you underestimate the rigour of good theologians and overestimate the abilities of scientists as a class. ... they're also a priesthood guarding a doctrine.

Thomas Seobok is a good read for why sentience isn't a purely human phenomenon. Information interacts at all levels of the universe... it's anthropomorphisation to suggest we're 'special', and that its only us that has the attribute of 'intelligence'.

The size of the universe is another good piece of evidence for extra-human intelligence. Anyway, your assertion that you're free is laughable if you're shackled to the delusion of Western 'objectivity' ... there's no greater straitjacket than that.

That's great, Doc. But has it got anything to do with David Hicks? Perhaps it does on a certain level. Anyway, here is a repost from SIMC of the Sydney Rally for Hicks on youtube people might like to watch.

If you missed the street rally on 9 Dec. 2006 to bring
home david hicks, check the video oberservation i made
narrated by anthea vogl with speeches by mamdouh
habib. big thanx anthea and the citizens of australia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J300Xfd5Dw

cheers-andy b. - video
journalist/peaceful resident earthling

ok david, for all your ramblings there's not a lot that's new or visionary. You referred to history (cultural fiction) race, religion and tribalism/nationalism -- the three principal divisive factors that marathon cited!! you're perfect (as an example of a constructed slave).

so you are a product -- the perfect slave! a walking tragedy and u advertise it!! furthermore you gloat in you constructed false identity (you know, the one that results from all the supermposed cultural fictions -- so who are you, david? .. i've already heard from the socially constructed fake, let's here it from the real child abused david, the one too shit scared to be his unique self!!

There are some who have taken the challenge and refuted their background and ALL cultural superimpositions -- not easy but its worth it in the end -- whoosh!

woah - this thread has gone a bit haywire. don't know if i can follow all the arguments, rantings and ravings, but i do know it started off with something about 5000 Melburnians rallying to demand justice David Hicks (which you wouldn't know from the blackout in the Murdoch press).

if you hear Ruddock say words like 'charges' and 'military commissions', beware. This means there is no change in policy. It means more years that Hicks will rot away in the torture camp.

Let's pressure Howard on this one.

Take away the fictional bogeymen that credulous fools like 'realist' and Andrew Bolt believe in, and the war on terror comes crashing down like a house of cards.

thread went everywhere cos Hicks issue makes everyone face their own apathy, guilt and failings -- it's a tragedy that a gov with no identity is reflected in a complacent population with even less identity, there's a bit of Hicks in every aussie and that's what hammers home the point and makes everyone uncomfortable.

the demo turnout was good but NOT demanding enough -- this issue is not negotiable. Ruddock should arrest John (aluminium tubing, war criminal) Howard -- press that issue from another direction while pressing the Hicks issue .. you will soon have Hicks home if Johnny feels that will take pressure off him.

Conservatives are totally insensitive to the emotions of others but highly sensitive to their own!!

Take it from an expert, attack on a number of sensitive (weak) fronts (war criminal) to achieve a particular end (Hicks).

You will note that Howard has pulled the old race card again with his language-citizen bullshit to steal the attention of the masses (some of whom may have been focusing on the demo and Hicks!)

I am surprised that everyone falls for his pathetically simple manipulation and distraction tactic -- i have noticed here today that few are able to sustain focus for more than a few minutes! Johnny will win again with kindy tactics, cos that 's all he has but it seems to be enuff.

PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seen the pictures Huw?

David Hicks David Hicks on sign and plakards all over and NOBODY knows his real name!!!!

There is a lot of CRAZY when 1000 of idiots are out on the streets with signs depicting the WRONG NAME!

Skow some f...n respect and call former david hicks (rip) by his current PREFERRED NAME, or just go home and watch TV.

Yosuf Islam (former Cat Stevens) get this RESPECT so why not former david hicks (rip) who now call himself Muhammad or someting-something.

Anyone please - WHAT IS HIS PREFERRED NAME?????

....the best you can do is suggest Im a subject of child abuse?
Cheap shot, especially considering the trauma and suffering involved for those who have suffered child abuse.

Also, Im not the one seemingly wanting to cut all ties with heritage and history and culture and tradition in order to shed uncomfortable historical truth and bias and construct some shiny brave new world.

Feeling unclean much?

All in all you're falling all over yourself trying to pigeonhole me in some cult of mystical cultural relativists... whereas my focus is more in the disciplines of physics, mathematics, semiotics et cetera... youre very wide of the mark. That you think you understand where I'm coming from is an indication of the limits of your perspective.

but other posters are right this is a sidetrack...

we need David Hicks the fuck out of that place.

give it away 'realist' .. u don't even rate as a K-Mart psyop!

and realist... everyone already said they don't care what his name is. You seem frustrated, but that's because your point is irrelevant.

Actually it could be almost any Australian in David Hicks situation and the response would be the same.

Its not so much about the individual - although it does involve one individual suffering terribly - it's about the reprehensible behaviour of the Australian Government in response to a situation faced by a citizen of the country.

Im British - my Government wouldn't let what's happened to Hicks happen to me. Although I've not lived in England since I was 4. That's what citizenship means to me - that if I'm totally fooked, i can call on the country of my birth. It's a very great comfort - I can't imagine living, as Australians do, without the knowledge your country will look after you in such a situation.

Britain's a sad corrupted and perverse place, but the British got their guys out of Guantanamo.

what was said about you, david, applies to most -- nothing special about you being a slave regardless of how hard you try to hide the FACT .. a fact you freely admit in your many ramblings.

A slave, is a slave, is a slave, is a slave .. 'shirt colour' is irrelevant.

Howza what?

Tell you what, for all my shortcommings and poor language skills, I do feel so lonely here... Am I one of a kind?

I seem to be the only one that have access to a brain that can fashion new ideas and new angles.

All other jerks seem to know nothing, remember nothing and say nothing new.

-david hicks HAS chosen a new name!!!
-Cow protection may seems as nutty as whale protection, so I wrote that too, and I intend no insult to my Hindu bredren... Especially the traditional Muslim killing Sikh warriors with Turban! Goodoya all Singh!! I doff my turban for your proud history! (Bet you never read THAT before!!) And I really have eaten whale yum yum... a few years back now...
The list goes on and on

I'm so lonely here...

Did you know that we now THIS WEEK can celebrate 50 years since the Melbourne cum Stockholm Olympics? Noo?
And did you know there is a film about that event released all over the world, but DOES NOT SCREEN IN MELBOURNE... F..n unbelivable right???

The name of the film? FREEDOM'S FURY

Ims soo lonely here - nobody have a brain in gear... I suffer like HAL, that poor H.A.L.

Everybody else is falling over each other gushing the same copied INSTANT NUDLE ideas, bla bla bla. Nobody except me are able to cock up a previously un-uttered train of thought... I'm so sad and feel so lonley here...

My lithium quick ... (Got ya, i know beforehand you would dig that up...) Sorry, never had chemicals accept of course CH3-CH2-OH (=my pet flame-dog) You havent got a clue do you??/

Im trying to hide the fact that Im a slave while freely admitting it?

realist its strange that you don't feel supported by the prevailing mood in this country... you have to go out of the way to an Indymedia site in order to find detractors.. I mean, why not go work for the Attorney-General? What about all your friends at the Immigration department?

Thing is, if you're defending Western civilisation, you're defending the indefensible. And you've living in a period of Western decline.

Makes me happy to see the West get weaker - there's justice in it. But these are hard times for those who want to defend Western superiority and supremacy.

just a note to say channel 7 melbourne reported that the largest turnout for the rally was 800?? in Sydney, and that the Melbourne Rally (thousands) wasnt even mentioned.

how DOES the media get away with it?

Not very high quality audio as it was originally an analogue recording on microcassette, but enough for the record perhaps.
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as above. The message was read by Jill Sparrow.
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as above. Some parts of the crowd were unhappy with her linking of the Hicks case with the Howard Government's attacks on workers' rights, and this can be heard in the recording. Some even left the rally in protest.

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Thank you for all these audio mp3. Excellent work!

Chris
Australians for David Hicks to come Home

David as he is known by his loathsome family should be put into maximum security for the rest of his life to demonstrate to other weak minded limp dicked wannabe terrorists that Australia will not tolerate traitors.

His father is to blame for not pulling out in time and leaving us with this cretin who should be exterminated so we can move on.

Get real Australia you have morons like Downer to worry about.

Traitors? How so? Traitors who've betrayed the American way? Fuck America, obviously.

Traitors who dare to oppose the sad parochial little idea of Australian nationhood? Fuck your idiotic pomp and fwof and adolescent ... Fuck the Australian nation - it's not nothing to do with what makes this place great. Nor do the British, the Irish, the 'diggers' at Gallipoli, or the yob at the pub - it's all shite. That's the crap the rest of us have to look PAST.

Re the US - Millions of Australians would be amused and relieved to see the north american continent turned to slag.

The very very soft and flabby American people are sitting ducks, they've only just lost their second 3000. It's only just warming up....

Anyone who supports taking out American forces is on the right track as far as that goes. More generally the same has to be applied to the West in general.

Specifically, though, we're not the 51st state yet. Undoing the global status quo means taking down the US. There's no way around it. There's nothing traitorous in this logical conclusion.

Traitors? How so? Traitors who've betrayed the American way? Fuck America, obviously.

Traitors who dare to oppose the sad parochial little idea of Australian nationhood? Fuck your idiotic pomp and fwof and adolescent posturing ... Fuck the Australian nation - it's not nothing to do with what makes this place great. Nor do the British, the Irish, the 'diggers' at Gallipoli, or the yob at the pub - it's all shite. That's the crap the rest of us have to look PAST.

Re the US - Millions of Australians would be amused and relieved to see the north american continent turned to slag.

The very very soft and flabby American people are sitting ducks, they've only just lost their second 3000. It's only just warming up....

Anyone who supports taking out American forces is on the right track as far as that goes. More generally the same has to be applied to the West in general.

Specifically, though, we're not the 51st state yet. Undoing the global status quo means taking down the US. There's no way around it. There's nothing traitorous in this logical conclusion.

Who is this David Hicks you are rabbitting on about? I thought his name was mohammed dawood.
I guess it's just more bullshit from the usual rent-a-crowd.