Protestors attack barricades/police van : Melbourne Indymedia

Good to see the tradition of peaceful demonstrations continuing.

Way to engender respect, and open dialogue, people.

...this revolution will be televised!

I wonder who the caped cruisaders are pulling down the barricade? The one in the foreground has an airport style MEL sticker on her bag which suggests they are not from Melbourne and have recently flew in.

And the other one has a knee pad on.

Like the ones the cops use...

Seems like it was all a bit of theatre for the benifit of the media, look closely at the pictures, look at how many media & cops there are, then look at the small group of protetesters wearing heavy duty fluffy skirt things. There is no story here.

theatre?

if your idea of theatre is criminal damage, vandalism, assault and trying to spook and injure innocent animals then yes it was just theatre for the media,

but a police officer in hospital, a reporter assaulted, several police vehicles vandalised and protestors attempting to kick and spook horses to me is not theatre, but rather actions that could have led to tragedy.

all i can say is well done to the police for managing to act quickly and not have today's activities lead to something worse.

I saw Police State agent provocateurs dressed as activists and smashing the van and starting all sorts of trouble but everyone including the media and even some protestors bought it.

Who are these people? Cops or shadowy far right elements?

Yes our boys infiltrated the radicals,
recommended last night the squats be raided to stir up confrontation
evict the xian campers so no witnesses
moved in the riot squad
waited for the protesters
then set up the police van to be trashed
then unleashed the riot squad
made our arrests and now have warrants to raid around the 'burbs
for those we missed.
Game and media hype win for the Authorities as I call it.

Thanks for the practice run kids
we will be taking on unionists
soon enough.

Best action of the G20 so far. peoples lives are on the line all over our region, and the Pacific. Do you think the Indonesians are "going soft" on West Papua's, how do the pigs treat the peoples the Solomons? when they were in there shoring up Howard's neo-colonial plan for the nations & peoples of the pacific.

there are actually protestors out there in australia who do this stuff. to blame it on police provocateurs is just stupid. what you think all aus protestors are a bunch of lame arse wusses?

And in case you hadn't noticed the real violence is being perpetrated by the governments inside the buiding. Heard of Iraq?

I was at the protest. I didnt see any infiltartors or bullshit conspiracies. What I saw was a bunch of protestors prepared to stand up and challenge the authority, demanding the accountability of our leaders. I say good on all the protesters for stirring things up. If only the traditional working and middle class labour voters would turn up to these events, they would carry more weight. Unfortunately Its too easy for the cumfy liberals, suits and screws to write of the particpants as rabble and malcontents.

Oh and Colin Milne. Ill be at those Unionist protests and when I see u, Ill take that batton off u and stick it right through ur ear... fkn screw in the machine is all u are! Good at following orders and nothing else.

Check mate to u...

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theatre?
by missy Saturday November 18, 2006 at 08:10 PM

theatre?

if your idea of theatre is criminal damage, vandalism, assault and trying to spook and injure innocent animals then yes it was just theatre for the media,

but a police officer in hospital, a reporter assaulted, several police vehicles vandalised and protestors attempting to kick and spook horses to me is not theatre, but rather actions that could have led to tragedy.

all i can say is well done to the police for managing to act quickly and not have today's activities lead to something worse.
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Hide the dead Iraqis and stay blind to Gaza.

If not pretending to be an "anarchist" for Zion at present, praise the police and authority.

Hallelujah!

Mea Culpa - the figure is at least 660, 000.
But they were only Arabs, and thus not worth half a Jewish fignernail.

Go back to sleep.

It's late.

We can recognise comrades when we see them. After any confrontation, whiners always try to pretend no-one would want to have a go at the cops or the barricades and so therefore anyone up for it must be a cop provacateur. Read some history books.
Great stuff. Inspiring..!

great pics well done u lot great to see the pig van smashed up give these racist cunts and nazi fukers a taste of there own shite.

FUK ALL POLICE FUK FUK ALL GOVERMENTS

TRUST KNOW ONE

THE WORLD IS OURS

PS SEE U ALL NEST YEAR AT THE G8

WE ARE WINNINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

PEOPLE POWER AND V RULE

you should be put down with an attitude like yours,my kids have to grow up listening to shit you cockheads preach.

the police should have shotguns not batons.

to steve and all the rest of the facsist apologists, why don't you just put your swastika armband back on and goose step your way off a cliff you stupid, ignorant fascist! the cops should be pork rinds, not be armed with shotguns. you think the people fighting the state and its armed thugs should be shot, i bet you also think that people with brown skin should get the zyclon-b treatment.
SCREW THE FACSIST APOLOGISTS!!!
KEEP THE FIRE UNDER CAPITALS TOES!!!
FROM SEATTLE WITH LOVE FOR THOSE BRAVE SPIRITS WHO STAND UP IN THE FACE OF OPPRESSION AND DO NOT COWER TO IT!!!!

struggle and @nok

The Russell St side had none of this violence, only a few chicken-arse wankers lobbing things from behind the shelter of other protestors -- yes, trying to start police retaliation against peaceful protestors, then sneaking away. Shame on you, sir.

There were also some plain-shirted 'young liberals' who tried to start something between themselves and Steve Jolly or whoever was the compere .. for all I know, paid by Jolly himself to make him look tough.

We just don't know who these people are, and neither do the media -- unless the media hire these goons. So to read reports portraying this kind of mischievous and heartless behaviour is sickening.

Please do not try to take over the events and make it into your own heroic battle. If the people are with you, they are with you. If not, you are fighting a hopeless personal struggle against reality, not confronting the state. You are using the tactics of the state, and so people like me lump you with the state, not with the protest.

It doesn't actually matter whether you are being paid by the state. You act in the state's interests, using the tactics of the state, I call you State. We are calling for the state to become responsible for its actions, and we call for you 'rotten apples who spoil the bunch' to be responsible.

I was very impressed by how the police restrained themselves. They are a very professional group of men and women.

The reason they don't force the issue on these protesters is that a lot of them are quite ill people, afflicted by various mental conditions and in the great scheme of things don't do much. As long as they are contained, the police are happy to hold them at arms length.

I worry a bit about police safty though.... hepititus and other diseases are a real worry. I think the police manning barriers need thicker and more protective gear.

The real fascists
by Anarchists are fascists Sunday November 19, 2006 at 03:27 PM

We all saw who were the real fascists yesterday. The anarchist protesters who started all the violence and attacked other people are true fascists.

come on @nok gone quiet have we,just like the rest of your scungy protesting dole bludging oxygen theiving mates.

The entire G20 circus was a waste of time for both the economists who attended and the 'activists' who let themselves down through blatent criminal activity. The talk fest achieved little in terms of practical outcomes in relation to climate change, global poverty or energy security/alternative energy. The G20 circus should have been held outside the CBD given organisers knew it would attract criminal protesters. The small contingent of criminal protesters who believe in anarchy are yet to provide the mainstream community on how they propose our society/economy function. Centralised/communal economies have failed and are more oppresive than the free socities that they enjoy living in (australia, US, Europe). My advice to the criminals, if you don't like living in a pluarlist democracy where the right of law ensures individual freedom, go live in North Korea and see how you enjoy life there!!

Anarchists are no more fascists than they are communists.

Why associate anarchism with centralised/communal economies? A lack of insight or education? Anyone got any clues?

You're just a collection of rich kids and the mentally ill getting your jollies on the street....

Most of you will grow up, and look back on this later and feel disgusted....

The thing I find most funny is that the anarchists would probably consider themselves of the Left politically, but anarchy is the natural extreme of the right wing. Fascism (along with it's brother Communism) are both products of the extreme Left.

What's a "criminal protestor"?
by mark kromodimoeljo Sunday November 19, 2006 at 06:19 PM
mark_krom@hotmail.com

Why associate anarchism with centralised/communal economies? A lack of insight or education? Anyone got any clues?

Alright smarty pants, enlighten me on how anarchism would sustain a group of people or society? Most of the criminal protestors associated themselves as anarchists or socialists. While some anarchists propose a society with no "state" control (which sort of sounds like an extreme liberal party) most then go on to extol the virtues of collective living, controlled markets and anti-globalisation which all sounds like collectivism/centralism to me!! Hence the reference to communism and its failed history.

Good job on alienating the general public and confirming the very stereotypes (thugs, criminals) which your enemies paint you with. The difference between yourselves and revolutionaries of the past is that they had goals, ideals and brains - all you have is a juvenile base desire for destruction. You can all fuck off.

where are all the protesting maggots,crawled back into your holes have we ,thilfy pigs.

There have been so many inaccuracies on this page its absurd. Firstly the concept of legal positivism has been thrown around abundantley and its kind of an absurd notion. Criminality is not a good measure of assessing morality or ethics: for instance remember when queers were criminal, sodomy laws and such. Well consider that jaywalking (not walking between the lines panted on the road is criminal) some places have laws against spitting. Crimality is a relative concept to the laws of a particular state. Consider that an Iraqi wanting democracy was a criminal under Saddam, so you need a better critieria of showing the badness of individuals.

Someone said Fascism was a leftist project which is wrong. Fascism comes from a totalitarian tradition of rightism based on nationhood. It appeals to communitarian notions and the curtailing of individial rights. It is about increasing the power and surivial of the nation (not state, BUT SPECIFIC GROUP IN SIDE THE STATE). The simple right-left continuum is a assessment of economics of particular modes of thinking. Fascism is a centralizing system for the betterment of the state. It is hard to place on the right left continuum because it possesses characteristics of both sides. Fascism is opposite to ananrchism in its relation to the individual. Anarchism is about a balance between community and individual, in that life should be organized to fullfil an d maximize all peoples needs and wants equally. Unnecessary constraints would be completely removed, that means morality and social laws would be curtialed to only issues of oppression, and all would participate in this construction, whether through consensus or direct democracy. Moreover leadership would be at the most completely chosen by the people and completely controlled by instant recall. Wheras fascism is based on anti-rationalist assumptions that are channelled and known by one leader. It is based on authoritarianism.

the next point I wanted to move to was violence; Violence is legitimate in some circumstances, plain and simple, general as a mode of self -defense, in the words of malcom x, its intelligence. The state has a monopoly on violence, it organizes it and uses it at will. There is no moral quandry in using violence to curtail or defend against the state, if you rationally think it is illegitimate. Athe same time people must remember the state in some ways embodies the legitimate (yet misguided) aspirations of others. Violence with no goal is wrong, and machoism, I resent it. Breaking things is worthless without a larger purpose.

No to the people that thought conversation and persuasion were brought to a halt; how many people and books articles have been writtena bout the poor conditions of this people or that people on this part of the planet, and have been ignored for all of capitalism history? I would say probably over a billion. World leaders do nto care. Howard has beyond credible evidence that global warming and climate change are happening, but like canada is unwilling to take necessary steps to deal with it.

Our so called leaders are the personification ig ignorance (having knowledge in your face but not recognizing it or acting) they deserve to be removed and overthrown.
Leadership now are the indentured servants of interests that run counter to the legitimate aspirations of regular people.

I went along to the protest on Saturday and was in the peaceful march to the Hyatt. I feel strongly about stoping neolibrilism and teh current global free market enviroment controlled by ecomnomists and greedy near sighted politicians who can see past the next election.

What I found dissapointing on the whole was the numbers. A few thousand people- at the most -just doesnt have the impact of 10 or 20 thousand strong crowd that I hoped to see clogging up the whole of the inner city. I find with alot of my friends there is a basic apathy towards righting social justices and speaking out for moral values I guess because life is cosy and we have it quite easy here in this beautiful city(most of us anyway) compared to somwhere like Mexico.

I think sometimes the only way to be noticed by the media these days is to incite violence so I can understand why some peaple feel this is justified but i reckon it kind of negates all the good work. We are the n portrayed as violent unintellegent people just trying to make our point heard by trying to hurt a few cops.

I think the best way to change the way things are done is through mass pressure. So keep emailing those politicians, talking to everyone about the injustice you can see and tying to expand their sometimes narrow views.

Well done to EVERONE who stood up to be counted over the weekend. WE ARE MAKING CHANGE.

Bring on zero tolerance as soon as possible. Maybe we won't have to witness this sort of crap and stop idiots from killing themselves on the roads and heaps more too numerous to mention.
The rioters must be particularly ugly to cover their faces---maybe throwbacks?--syphillus sores?--or some strange religious requirement.
Then of course there's always use them for cannon fodder in the army instead of wasting real humans.

Yep. you guys really showed the evil global controllers how to behave by example

lots of intellect shown, reasoned strategies and carefully considered actions.

ha ha

what a bunch of half wit losers

confirmed for the world to see time and time again

a bunch of so called adults behaving like pre pubescent terrorists

Ok all those trendy intellectuals claiming eductaed superiority and trying to justify the violence by protestors.......so we, the majority (ie those NOT at the protest) are fascists?

So we perpetrate violence on those who disagree with us? We claim freedom of speech but denigrate all those who say what we don't like?

No Wait!!! That sounds like the actions of a G20 protestor!

Rabid anti-socials is all that you are. Big words that end in 'ism' do nothing to hide the real fascists.

There is only one part of society capable of the horrendous group-think of the 1940's style fascists - you people. Your cry that you are 'saving the world' is pathetic.

Rev, ALL radical utopian ideologies (Fascism, Marxism, Islamofascism, Ba'athism, Maoism, Socialism, Castroism, European Commission, etc.) require substantial government coercion to implement, and therefore the power exchange is weighted substantially toward the government. They are therefore ALL left of "Center" (defined as power shared 50:50) on a linear scale. Some, like British Socialism where a working majority of individuals favors the ideology, are only partly to the Left of Center because less coercion is required. Others, like Nazism or Communism, are at the extreme Left because extreme coercion by a totalitarian government is required.

Anarchism appears on this scale at the extreme Right because all power is retained by the individual - there is no government. Republican democracy is Right of Center because individuals retain power to select or replace components of the government, or change its policies.

Both Stalin and Hitler were using the linear scale described above when each said, "I am a Socialist!" Also, the fiction Nazism is politically Right was the creation of a Stalin-era KGB dis-information campaign. The fiction's subsequent use by Western academics and politicians to convince gullible voters to adopt their "good" Socialism, rather than the evil, Nazi "rightwing" Socialism has corrupted this discussion ever since.

But it's always a laugh to see self described leftists so unducated and or plain dumb that they think they're being good anarchists when they act out rather than the typical vile fascists they truly are.

Hope this helps but I somehow doubt it.

I love all this criticism.
You fucking wankers. People weren't trying to scare horses, they were fighting cops.
If you weren't there, shut your fucking trap, you have no idea what happened; how the police acted; how protesters were beaten; how any of this happened.

How can you sit here and actually suck up what the media said?

Cowards. The lot of you.

Fuck off.

by A/E Monday November 20, 2006 at 05:03 PM

I love all this criticism.
You fucking wankers. People weren't trying to scare horses, they were fighting cops.
If you weren't there, shut your fucking trap, you have no idea what happened; how the police acted; how protesters were beaten; how any of this happened.

How can you sit here and actually suck up what the media said?

Cowards. The lot of you.

Fuck off.

Great contribution! Who wants to curtail free speech now? The utter inempt nature of the left comes shining through when they have lost all credibility!

..............inempt?

HAHAHAA, i know theres nothing funny about police violence, but these pictures are ironically funny in that you can actually see the fear in all the police faces, at least they are not wearing robocop outfits, im sure they would have reacted much differently if they felt invincible, but they obviously didn't. I couldn't help cracking up at the site of scared police faces..
good work guys.!

ENGINEER???? -----"I ALWAYS WANTED TO BE ONE NOW I ARE ONE"-----

IS THAT SITE OR SIGHT?

DON'T CONFUSE "FEAR" WITH "NOT ALLOWED TO RETALIATE"----(BUT THERE'S ALWAYS ANOTHER TIME)

Fear?

I don't see fear, dude. Your dreaming.

The girl in the pink tutu is hilarious. The cops must have been quaking in their boots when they saw her.