climate change cannot be stopped : Melbourne Indymedia

'Extrapolating their data to Siberia's other lakes, the researchers estimate that more than 4 million tons of methane is being released into the atmosphere each year -- between 10 and 63 percent higher than previous estimates. The study, led by Katey Walter at the University of Alaska at Fairbanks is detailed in the Sept. 7 issue of the journal Nature.

"The effects can be huge," Walter told the Associated Press. "It's coming out a lot, and there's a lot more to come out."

Other studies have calculated that about 500 billion tons of carbon is locked up in Siberia's permafrost and that up to 90 percent of it could be released if the region continues to warm as expected. If this happens, the coming decades will see an increase in the number and size of methane-releasing thaw lakes, scientists say.

"It's kind of like a slow-motion time bomb," Ted Schuur, professor of ecosystem ecology at the University of Florida, told the AP. "There's these big surprises out there that we don't even know about."

While methane from Siberian lakes is a relatively modest contributor to climate change compared to human greenhouse emissions by industry and automobiles, it helps intensify a positive feedback mechanism for global warming.'
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,212598,00.html
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'In another study in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, Margaret Torn at the University of California at Berkeley shows the climate impact of this additional greenhouse factor.

"We found a significant amount of warming coming back from these feedbacks that we're not yet estimating," said Torn. "The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or IPCC, currently estimates that we could have warming by as much as 5.8 degrees Celsius by the end of the 21st century. But if Earth responds as it has in the past, we would actually be committed to 7.7 degrees Celsius warming."'
http://www.alaskareport.com/news11037.htm

[n.b. The 'leaked' IPCC update estimates a warming of 3degC by 2100. Factor in the above difference of 2.5degC and you get 5.5degC and a worst case scenario.]

Ocean acidification link: http://www.tasmedia.org/node/1214

it works like an unpaid bank loan, not additive in case people forget.

Global warming is good. It's finally gonna teach everyone that those economic rationalist neo-liberals freaks are lying, stupid bastards.

In a worst case scenario whereby climatic feedback loops render the planet uninhabitable to higher lifeforms, it might mean the demise of the human race to finally prove to these deluded morons that they are full of shit but vindication, like revenge, is sweet.

It'll be a Pyrrhic victory though, culpable sleazebags like Howard will be long gone.

Those yet to be born will be the final victims of today's heathen high priests bowing and scraping at the altar of the free market gods.

We cant have Chinese ppl with jobs! that's why we must continue to pollute at all cost, full steam ahead!

sorry future generations, but our 9 to 5, 5 days a week to pay off the mortgage and land cruiser is faaaaarrrrr more important then your plight! after all you don't even exist yet!

In good news mozilla.org will be buying trees to offset their greenhouse gas emissions, so switching to firefox ain't just good for you, your computer and the interweb, its also good for the planet :)

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/gerv/archives/2006/09/carbon_offsetting.html

It is that Climate Change is occurring always, the LIE is in the attempt to overlay supposition of a 'greenhouse effect' and 'unnatural alterations' from such by 'Humanity'. The materials involved by the 'greenhouse theory' cannot with their actual properties produce a 'greenhouse warming effect'. The effort to produce scenario based on proxy Temperature from regard to a quantity of 'greenhouse gas' fails to notice HOW Kinetic Energy is inducted INTO the "System" involved from the Materials actually present, then what that Kinetic Energy will actually do. As such there is no point quoting wither IPCC, a committee formed by lobby Politics, nor those presenting advocacy within IPCC 'frameworks' regardless of WHO they are or which Institution they exist within.

There is not even shown a consistent and persistent link of Temperature to 'greenhouse issues', most certainly there is little point attempting to platform contrived 'future scenarios' or 'distant past potentials' when the hear & now CANNOT be shown to present ANY consistent situation. Temperature is NOT even a valid indicator OF climate change to begin with. Turbulence & interactions of Mass within the environment will produce sufficient alteration to the intrinsic 'temperatures' of the Masses involved n line with observations of NOW. Turbulent Process interactions between and within the (kilogram)x(10^24) Masses of the Ocean and Atmosphere will produce alterations to internal Turbulence within those materials that WILL release (or uptake) vast amounts of Kinetic Energy, and that this will then be observed as a RISE (or DECLINE) in the measured Temperature of that System, with NO NEED for alteration of the RATE of overall 'new' Kinetic Energy induction even necessary.

It is only really necessary to begin notice by consideration of the actual Mass of materials involved within the liquid of the Ocean and the Gas mix that is the Atmosphere. Remember also that the ‘Temperature of a System’ is that Kinetic Energy residual within the materials constituting that System that is NOT directly involved in the production of the processes of Turbulence within that System. There is NO need to consider existent an 'artificial warming process' even. There is thus not required policy for, or otherwise any 'remediations' beyond consideration of POLLUTION within the real environment of those materials cited to be 'greenhouse'.

There does indeed need to be distinction of the term 'global warming' from 'unnatural warming from a greenhouse effect' & 'unnatural climate change'. "Global warming is real", it is just NOT unnatural with Climate rising as it IS from an 'Ice Age' just ~20,000 years ago which is just one amongst such glacial event within these RECURRING events noted within the 'Climate Behavior' of the current ~3 Million year long 'Primary Trough'. The last 400 years involved not only the rise of Human population from ~500 Million to ~6 Billion, but saw 'SPRAWL' of this Population lagging 'Growth' due to technology development. Thus it is that the 'first 400 years' has seen a SLOW rise in Median Surface Temperature. The next 100 years has related consequences outlined within the link (**) below, & will not see a technological lag to a 'sprawl effect' from 'new population growth' & thus little lag to observations of increase in Median Surface Temperatures from such population growth.

The focus on 'political play' involving supposition of 'climate doom' still only avoids notice of the REALITY that Humanity lives within, trying instead to focus on aspects of HOW humanity 'lives', these being parcelled within the various attached platforms' the 'greenhouse wagon' drags along. There isn't possible any 'CO2 based' warming effect, as outlined by the 'greenhouse theory', these 'greenhouse remediations' are only a production of contrivance with only potentially DETRIMENTAL effects to the NATURAL course & persistence of 'Climate events' in their NATURAL & irregular but otherwise reasonable & 'GENTLE style'.

It is that the 'greenhouse few' attempt to hide from notice the 'IS' of 'NOW', but successfully it seems only from themselves. There has not been seen as such real 'action', commonly mentioned in discussion with regard to 'Kyoto targets' these not even being noticed it seems. So 'policy action' is to date near non existent anyway, inline with what is really needing to be done. Politics IS about NOW it seems you see, & it is that the 'greenhouse lobby' has DEMANDS for 'action now', but isn't showing existent a 'need NOW for action'. There is not any policy needed to remediate 'climate change' NOW, nor any 'remediations' beyond considerations of POLLUTION within the real environment by those gases being labelled as 'greenhouse' NOW. It is that Climate Change is occurring always & has been occurring always, the LIE is in the attempt to overlay supposition of a 'greenhouse effect' and 'unnatural alterations' from such by 'Humanity' to observations of Nature.

In short, the Public is tired of hearing disassociated supposition of 'climate doom and woe' rhetoric, be it advocated by a 'scientist' or ex-politician, an Actor or Musician in 'press release', novel or movie. It might well be there is better 'climate science' within the general populace that is made by those the Lobby groups platform as 'experts' to the Political Arena.

Your's,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(tm)
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
(*)- http://hartlod.blogspot.com/
(**)- http://hartlodsgallery.blogspot.com/