Gary Meyerhoff's NAP/DIM collective lied : Melbourne Indymedia

The story so far...

Meyerhoff and Inder-Smith were expelled from the (legitimate) DIM collective for serious breaches of indymedia protocol.

2 months later Viki and Fiona claimed these expulsions never occurred and the minutes were "fabricated".

This occurred shortly after Mick refused to associate with Fiona anymore.

Fiona and Viki were then expelled for lying.

perth.indymedia (who host DIM) tried to force the legitimate collective to meet with the expelled people - naturally we refused. Only a moron would meet with people that lie about meetings.

perth.indymedia then gave DIM to the expelled people and changed the passwords without notification.

More detail here - http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/imc-oceania/2005-March/thread.html

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email to oceania and darwin imc lists

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Subject - Gary Meyerhoff is to blame for the lies and paternalistic racism we have endured...

Hi all

...Meyerhoff's abuse of drug users (organising this illegitimate coup with Fiona and Viki) and obvious hatred and envy of myself is apparent. Meyerhoff is a sad and talentless little tyrant.

DIM IMC list

[imc-darwin] More crap from Mick Lambe hidden Gary Meyerhoff

[imc-darwin] Mick Lambe continues his crap.... must have nothing better to do! Gary Meyerhoff

"Fiona, who gives a rat's arse what Mick is saying?" - http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-darwin/2005-May/0508-73.html

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According to Fiona...

"Neither Rob Inder-Smith nor Gary Meyerhoff were expelled from the DIM Collective."

http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-darwin/2005-March/0331-8f.html

Viki stated...

"In support of Fi's email, I was at the meeting where Mick Lamb's fabricated minutes were derived from, as an observer and possible new collective and what Fi is saying is true."

http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-darwin/2005-April/0401-u9.html

Viki's post to Oceania - http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/imc-oceania/2005-March/002583.html and a swag of comments by Fiona (prior to my refusing to associate with her) demonstrate that Inder-Smith and Meyerhoff were not only expelled - but held in the deepest contempt by Fiona. "Sexist and racist creeps, etc..."

Fiona has admitted that the Yahoo messenger post in which she describes Meyerhoff Inder-Smith and others as "sik c__nts" is a true account.

http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-darwin/2005-May/0507-5w.html

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Most of you chose to ignore that evidence and accepted as truth allegations of my being a despot (despots don't normally do all the work) and our Aboriginal members being simple folk who didn't know what was going on.

You ignored our majority version of events, the threats and insults at our home, the withdrawal of our ISP due to NAP complaints, the threads attacking us on various Oz indymedias and the spam on DIM.

http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/NAP_racist_disrespect.htm

http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/NAP_racist_paternalism.htm

Well I just moved a table in my room (cleaning up) and found the original hand-written minutes by Fiona.

Obviously they are rough notes which is why they were typed up and edited by the collective prior to sending.

It is clear that the final minutes derive from this rough draft.

It is clear the legitimate DIM collective told the truth.

It is clear the present NAP/DIM collective did not.

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ROUGH DRAFT MINUTES - February 6, 2005

Meeting started late - 4-20pm

Present Mick - Viki - Fi - David timber - Freddie - Mindy

Housekeeping

Gary meyerhoff was evicted from OMD start of meeting (because) he's broken principles of unity also cyberstalking collective members, use of DIM to support NAP, threatening collective members and the use of Police when that didn't work and has shown himself unreliable with funding and has stolen money and equipment off another collective member and guilty of racism and sexism.

{Fi is referring to Meyerhoff ripping her off over a drug deal and stealing her phone charger which she found later}

2. We looked at DIM website

a) ??? - inappropriate actions by non-collective member.

Unanimous that we don't want untrustworthy and devisive people.

eg Women's rights, Invasion Day, East timor (Features) Tsunami. {Should follow? "2. We looked at DIM website"}

Oceania, Global - we are doing job of fulfilling mission statement - no racism, sexism , removing culturally inappropriate posts - explained Aboriginal protocol on DIM.

b) Perth - our server is on Perth's server, so how much is done by Gary? He has been asking for contributions to his group NAP.

Ends
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- Photo

http://country-liberal-party.com/images/Rough_Draft_of_DIM_minutes_06_02_05.jpg

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Obviously the inclusion of Inder-Smith (to be expelled)and other details were added or deleted in the final draft of the minutes which all collective members then passed unanimously.

That's how most minutes are drawn up.

We are totally vindicated and would like to be hosted by an indymedia that doesn't believe it has a right to tell us what to do.

We stuck to our guns and refused the offer of another indymedia, because that would have made a mockery of indymedia principles - as the offer which was logically inconsistent - did.

perth are obviously confused about their role in hosting indymedias.

Please don't insult us any further by trying to put spin on this. Obviously discussion took place that was not recorded by Fiona but was included in the final draft. Same as in every other meeting that has been held on this planet.

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"fi here, I did not write these "minutes".

In item 1: Mick has used a minor truth..."Gary
Myerhoff was asked to leave..." then concocted a
long story of supposed crimes to back this up."

http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-darwin/2005-May/0512-e5.html

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Sent to perth February 6, 2005

No Cc Bcc

Minutes - Darwin indymedia meeting - One Mile Dam community

February 6, 2005

Present - Vikki, Fi, Mindy, David, Freddy, Mick

Meeting started 4-30pm

- Business

1. Gary Myerhoff was asked to leave for (irreconcilable) breaches of the Principles of Unity... (Robert Inder-Smith did not show, but is similarily ejected from the darwin.indymedia
collective.) ...these include (far from comprehensive) Cyberstalking collective members and attacking other political groups (often anonomously) Such divisiveness is not acceptable - The use of DIM as a promotional tool for NAP - Abusing a female collective member and attempting to intimidate another collective member (using Robert Inder-Smith) and when that failed, calling the NT Police for no reason, save drug-induced arrogance and paranoia.

Mr Meyerhoff's unique use of funding and donations, has seen the Territory Users Forum
(TUF) gutted. Nepotism in the NAP-run TUF towards NAP members was blatant and ensured
Meyerhoff's domination. The darwin indymedia collective is anxious to avoid the same fate.

We need workers not leaders. We had better already know what we're doing.

Apart from some articles about NAP (and how many ways people can donate) Myerhoff and
Inder-Smith have contributed little to DIM, while doing their best to take it over, as happened with TUF.

Moving posts (Baxter convergence, anti-nuke, etc...) that Meyerhoff and Co felt were crowding their NAP articles, is unacceptable, as is complaining about (and removing) feminist
posts.

These posts were reinstated - sometimes more than once - and were often part of a 'network
post' - the darwin url being used in posts to other groups - German anti-nuke, etc...

We may need all the help we can get up here soon.

A recent disafilliation with NAP/TUF by an Alice Springs drug users group, the closure of
the TUF office and the loss of NAP supporters (most owed money) is enough reason to disassociate from Myerhoff and Inder-Smith.

Promotion and fund-raising for DIM has been impossible due to their presence. Darwin is a
(too) small country town.

Association with people who are more fixated on their group (and attacking other groups) than
the issues they purport to represent can only harm us. We really need unity up here right
now.

Numerous (anonymous) threats and insults have been posted on darwin.indymedia during the
period that people have refused to associate with NAP/TUF. They echo an earlier attempt
(same theme) to remove any opposition to (what was) an essentially NAP/DIM collective.

Using the NT Police to shore up a failed attempt at intimidation, has lost NAP a lot of
support. Other threats, to "...get some blokes to do Mick over" - have not been appreciated by
the collective.

Mr Meyerhoff who chose not to defend his actions before leaving the meeting - stated a
number of times - "If that's the way you want it". This may have been posed as yet another
threat.

And yes, this is how the DIM collective "want it".

We don't want collective members who contribute nothing (apart from Troll attacks) act
divisively and use the NT Police, when their threats against another collective member fail to intimidate.

Unanimous
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2. We had a look at the DIM site. The collective were happy with the quality of features, etc... and the editing that "preserve(s) the quality of the website as a useful media resource." They were also made aware of perth.indymedia's role (when they queried passwords being used by ex-collective members) in establishing darwin.indymedia.

3. We discussed DIM's Aboriginal protocol. The significance of our venue at an Aboriginal community (in relation to our aims) is an important one.

4. We request a new password from Perth to stop attacks on DIM by ex-collective members.

Please send to Fi, Mick,

. We have plans to promote DIM and to get more people involved from other groups. The Nuke Rail, Baxter convergeance and other issues, need addressing - something we can only do with a collective that views such matters seriously.

6. Meeting closed 5-30.

7. Next meeting at OMD - April 3, 2005

Unanimous on all counts
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- Fiona (minutes)
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It is clear our minutes derive from Fiona's rough draft. It is also very clear that Viki and Fiona chose to work with people (they) expelled for serious breaches of indymedia protocol, in order to cause us harm for refusing to associate with Fiona. As I pointed out repeatedly that's why it took two months to fabricate their story.

We are not into gloating we just want to get back to work. We've all wasted enough time on this matter and these sad, screwed-up people.

Let's just see indymedia correct a mistake efficiently and quickly.

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Our thanks to changeling (Nigel) of melbourne.indymedia and Dave Fregon (subscriber Oceania indymedia) for supporting and believing in 'Australia's' first black majority imc.

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mick, david, mindy, freddy - darwin indymedia collective

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fighting back stabbin is not a positive thing for imc who cares

is never pleasant

DIM tried to keep the original expulsions off the wires to spare Inder-Smith and Meyerhoff

DIM (the real one) were not the people who "back-stabbed" and lied to betray indymedia principles

You don't use Queensbury's rules in a street-fight

.

bloody hell egos flyin from every where get a life darwin must be boring

Melb Indy wont answer polite short reasonable letters and it publish's reactionary trash from anonymous cowards in the center column. The ' getting out the vote ' bs. Hopefully there will be a big slpit and bust up here as well soon. This is a secretive and authoritarian cabal running Melb IMC but they will be exposed one day.

it is funny to see the inward collapse of those who strive for instability in the wider real world..."priceless" as the capitalist imperialist regimes advertisements say

Thank you.

I have a full bag and have reached my limit for one thread.

This thread is now closed.

Psuedo activists, or COINTELPRO at work?

"Observer" - considering that the theme of your post is virtually identical to an email I just received you can only be 1 of 3 people.

Don't think that your emotional polemics, obfuscation, persistant dodging of legitimate questions (often with psuedo answers such as "Nigel, Read the oceania archives") will stop me seeing this through to a just conclusion.

For now, I will respect your request to keep that email private.
Feel free to post anything I've written in the emails here - in totality.
I have nothing to hide. Why do you?

Nigel can't see past personal friendship. Never mind the fact he lives on the other side of the country and knows nothing about the issue except for what he has heard from Mick Lambe.

An ugly injustice has occurred.

Fiona and Viki lied.

Aboriginal people respect Mick.

Nigel is acting on that evidence.

you are ignoring the evidence and resorting to insults

it's all you have

Evidence? What evidence? A scrawled note which Fiona and Vikki both denied was the minutes of the meeting. Mick claiming he is black. David Timber who was not involved with DIM untill AFTER Mick supposedly expelled the majority of the collective.

And what about the evidence YOU ignore... The dozen or so activists who have been abused by Mick. Mick's sexist and homophobic rantings. His public threats against other members of the collective. His deliberate attempts to incriminate other activists with allegations of drug use etc.

No other activist organisation would have tollerated even a fraction of the shit that Indymedia has accepted and encouraged from Mick Lambe.

"incriminate other activists with allegations of drug use etc"

all NAP do is go on about their drug use

the point is they lied to indymedia

Thankyou "Bob" and "C0-nigel-pro" - your inability to deal with the issues and your need to resort to lies, insults and Ad Hominem is very telling

Still - at least the Darwin list is actually allowing my posts through now so I guess progress is being made.

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Hi All,
as frustrating as this issue is, it is essential
that it doesn't get brushed under the carpet for the
sake
of our comfort zones.

--- Gary Meyerhoff <garywmeyerhoff at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi people
>
> I know some people are getting the shits with all
> this Darwin
> Indymedia stuf on this list but I felt that I had to
> reply to Nigel's
> email.

Gary - rest assured you have my attention. I am
however
curious as to why it's taken you this long to respond
to the
discussions which I've been involved with over the
last few
weeks. I would also like an explanation as to why my
email -
which you've only partially replicated here and which
I sent
to the Darwin list - doesn't appear on the Darwin list
here
<http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-darwin/2005-May/thread.html>
while your response does.
Also, I would like an explanation for your bizarre
response to
said email on the Oceania list
<http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/imc-oceania/2005-May/002752.html>

>
> On May 15, 2005 12:07 PM, Nigel wrote:
>
> "it should be clear to all involved with the DIM
> issue that the current PerthIMC installed DIM
> collective were successful in manipulating PerthIMC
> and those within the MIM and SIM collectives who
> supported their decision to effectively sack the
> legitimate DIM collective. While - quite frankly -
> the
> fact that Australia's only black majority IMC
> collective were sacked in favour of a collective who
> are clearly liars and frauds should have raised
> alarm
> bells before it even happened,"
>
> In response to Nigel...
>
> 1. There is and only ever has been one Darwin
> Indymedia Collective and
> I have been a member of that collective since the
> beginning.

I agree there is only one DIM collective. Only one
which I recognise, that is. Unfortunately it has been
effectively sacked by PerthIMC. Despite several polite
requests, PerthIMC have failed to explain their
reasoning
for this decision or adequately respond to Mick's,
Dave Timber's
or my questions relating to this.

>
> 2. The Darwin Indymedia Collective has not expelled
> anyone... only
> Mick Lambe has made claims that he has expelled
> anyone. Dave Timber,
> Mick Lambe and anyone else for that matter, are
> welcome to attend the
> Darwin Indymedia Collective meetings. The next one
> is at 9am, this
> Saturday 21st May at the Roma Bar.

You do your case no credit by repeating lies which
have
already been exposed, Gary. The evidence of the
meeting where
your expulsion was decided upon is on the (visual)
public record.
<http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/91676_comment.php>
You have certainly made no attempt to refute this
evidence.
You should also be advised - if you don't already know
- that I
have spoken with Dave Timber on the phone and he
confirms everything
Mick has said. This is in addition to emails Dave has
sent me, and
to the public lists.
Also, if what you are saying is true that would make
both Mick and
Dave liars and frauds of an extremely high order. If
that were the case,
why would you *want* them to come to a DIM meeting?

>
> 3. DIM has never been a "black majority IMC
> collective". Thaty is just
> another misleading statement by Mick Lambe.

Why are you pretending that Dave, Freddie and Mindy
don't exist?
Why are you pretending that this is all about Mick
Lambe?

>
> 4. There is no evidence that any members of the
> Darwin Indymedia
> Collective are liars and frauds and it is offensive
> to make such a
> claim.

Feel free to refute the abundance of evidence already
provided and
I promise a humble apology will be heading your way. I
seriously doubt
there'll be any need for that, however.

>
> 5. There is evidence that Mick Lambe's behaviour has
> been
> inappropriate. See the joint statement of the Darwin
> Indy Collective:
>
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-darwin/2005-April/0416-my.html
>

Much of that "evidence" has already been exposed as
lies, Gary. Why is
there no mention of Dave, Freddie or Mindy at the link
you've provided?

> Nigel also said:
>
> "I was more than
> a little concerned at the fact that someone from the
> MIM collective chose to hide the legitimate and
> non-EdPol breaching post at
>
<http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/91676_comment.php>"
>
> In response to Nigel, I believe the article
>
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/91676_comment.php#91693
> breaches your editorial policy and is a notifiable
> removal because it is a:
>
> # Posts which are obviously incorrect or misleading.
> This includes
> attempts to spread disinformation or to impersonate
> another
> individual.
> # Posts that are deemed to be devoid of content or
> analysis and appear
> to be published with the sole purpose of disruption.
> # Abuse of others in the form of personal attacks.
> Indymedia is not a
> space for people to play out personal vendettas.

You will need to explain how it breaches our EdPol. In
the context
in which that comment appears (a response to Ema
Corro's clearly
vexatious comment - and I could write an *essay* on
her trolling
activities), it is a legitimate post. Unless you can
demonstrate
otherwise, that is.

>
> I hope this clarifies the situation.

Each email I receive on this issue further clarifies
the situation
for me, Gary. I strongly suspect however, that your
intention was
not clarification, but obfuscation.

Be advised that I do not consider this to be a trivial
issue or a
simple "clash of egos" or suchlike.
Be advised that I have been, and will continue to,
record all correspondence
on this issue.
Be advised that I intend to see this through to a just
conclusion.

Yours Sincerely,
Nigel

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Care to deal with the content?

[Imc-oceania] Thanks Stacy -- sick of people abusing and stealing my work
Fiona Clarke jestfibi at yahoo.com
Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:47:37 -0700 (PDT)

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Hi all,
Fi here, I have much to say re Mick Lambe’s
continued attacks on me and other members of the
Darwin Indymedia Collective but for starters I’ll
just deal with this one - [Imc-oceania] Thanks
Stacy -- sick of people abusing and stealing my
work

I’ve stayed quiet up until now not wanting to
inflict anymore Darwin Indy shit on Oceania list
members than they were already copping from Mad
Mick, but enough is too much. Those who are sick
to death with the dramatic ravings of the lunatic
Mick has become should tune out now, because I am
going to go through almost every statement that
Mick has made in this post and throw in my 2
cents worth.

BTW I have been silent for so long, the past 5 or
6 weeks, as I haven’t had internet access, not,
as Mick has stated in another post, because I
“can’t deny the hand-written rough copy of the
dimc meeting is hers”.

Of course I wrote those minutes and it proves my
statement that neither Gary Meyerhoff nor Rob
Inder-Smith were expelled from the dimc. Nowhere
does the word expelled appear. As can be seen by
my notes some thought went into recording what
had happened with Gary. Mick changed his mind a
few times as to exactly what spin he wanted to
put on the incident. “Gary Meyerhoff (was evicted
– crossed out) left (from) by OMD b4 start of
meeting (because) when challenged he’s (not an
??) broken principles of unity.

I was very impressed with Gary’s bravery at
walking alone into hostile territory in an
attempt to work with a man who had physically
threatened him a couple of times. My respect for
Gary sky-rocketed at his simple display of
dignified courage.

Of course Mick held the meeting at One Mile Dam
so that he could do just that – “If Meyerhoff
shows up I can tell him to fuck off – it’s my
home.” Said Mick to me.

Gary’s quiet dignity was almost diametrically
opposed to the rantings and ravings of Mick Lambe
– I didn’t know it then but Mick was rapidly
losing touch with reality and having viewed
Oceania and Darwin IMC lists for the first time
in 5 or 6 weeks I see that he’s completely lost
the plot.

While the rest of the world have got on with
their lives Mick is trapped in an “us and them”
argument – him providing both sides because the
rest of the dimc are at peace with themselves and
each other. That’s what grown-ups do, they talk
about their differences and try their best to
work it out. Mick still thinks that if he keeps
chucking tantrums long enough and loud enough he
will get his own way – I don’t know why, I’ve
seen him do it since 1998 and it hasn’t worked
yet.

The “meeting” was a monologue by Mick Lambe to 2
people who had never viewed Darwin Indymedia
before, Viki and David. Mindy left the office
after approx. 5 minutes to tend to her young
niece Kayla and Freddy was asleep in the corner.
I wrote his name on the minutes to “make it look
like more people were there,” Mick told me, and
another of Mick’s wise words re Freddy before
meeting started (because Freddy didn’t want to
leave the room in case he missed out on the
sandwiches that Viki had made for after the
meeting) “I guess it doesn’t matter if Freddy
stays he hasn’t got a clue what’s going on
anyway.” Freddy promptly fell asleep, and I was
very sick and didn’t want to be there but was
bullied and threatened by Mick into going and so
I just sat there writing down what he said.

I too had no experience with dim as I had no
computer, no internet access, although I had gone
to an earlier meeting at the Railway Club, but at
the time was still able to be bullied by Mick
into acquiescing and believed what he had told me
certain people were inappropriately posting on
DIM regarding himself… what I didn’t know was
that he didn’t show me the abusive posts he had
put up. I was sucked in by Mick. Again.

Back to Mick’s email:
Mick: Despite the attempts to make me out to be a
callous brute, I'm a very sensitive person as
anyone familiar with myself or my work would
know.

Fi: I used to think that Mick, that you were
underneath your brusque exterior a sensitive man,
back when we lived in the bush smoking pot and
driving the local racist red-necks mad by
constantly postering Mandorah with blatant
accusations of extreme racism. But for the last
few years since moving into Darwin you have
become crazier and crazier.

We had to move to Darwin when a local Aboriginal
man, your best friend Ron, smashed down a wall of
your house with a sledge hammer and your roof and
steel poles were dismantled and sold to the
publican of the Mandorah Hotel by Tony Singh,
your “brother” from Belyuen – interestingly the
man who you claim “adopted” you was named John
Singh.

(Ooops, maybe I shouldn’t have said that, you’ve
been telling everyone that local racist red-necks
knocked down your home – have I exposed a lie?
Nah, couldn’t have, you don’t tell lies eh Mick?
Lets see what else comes out now I’ve got
started.)

The façade of a gentle soul cracked and has now
fallen apart exposing the real you: a selfish,
self-centred, ego-driven, obsessive, lying,
slandering, libellous, nasty piece of shit who
would turn on your own mother if you thought it
would give you more power – because whatever
credibility you had has been trashed by the
vindictive, spiteful lies you have published on
various Australian Indymedia sites and elsewhere
about some members of the darwin indymedia
collective. Specifically the crap you have
written about me, we’ll get to that.

Mick: The abuse of that young battered woman's
image hurt.

Fi: It hurt her a hell of a lot more than it hurt
you. You used that tragic image inappropriately,
exploiting her as you have been exploiting the
people of OMD since you began your hate campaign
on the darwin and oceania lists. It is very sad
that the good you can and have done for the poor
people of One Mile Dam Community is being lost in
your obsessive repetition of lies and
misrepresenting the dim collective.

Mick: My anger derives from my sensitivity to
injustice and betrayal. Such anger (under those
circumstances) is something I have never
regretted.
http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/GeorgeMartin.b.htm

Fi: I used to believe that, I know that your
anger at George being murdered, not at the man
who physically killed him, but at the Cox
Peninsula Town Clerk, Graham Watson, who drove
George from the community into a lonely,
defenceless existence in the bush.

But then I read something like this: Mick -
“Unless you have spent seven years dealing with
Fiona's drug problems (and the lies and betrayals
that go with it) not to mention exercising the
forgiveness and understanding that I have - I'd
suggest your pleas had little weight.”

Mick, I spent 4 years guarding your home on the
Cox Peninsula, often spending 4 or more days
there by myself, wondering if tonight would be
the night a truckload of drunken red-necks would
turn up to carry out their violent threats
against me. I lived with little food and water,
in an area the Army used for survival training,
such was the harshness of the land. Twice I
walked, with you, the 18 kms to the ferry when
the car wouldn’t start and we had to get to an
anti-discrimination hearing.

The only drugs I used was smoking the pot you
grew and your repetitive descriptions of my “drug
problems” have nothing to do with reality. For
the last 3 years, 18 mths of it I lived in
Sydney, I have been on strong pain relieving
medication, all legal and prescribed at the
recommendation of the Visiting Pain Consultant
from Adelaide. 3 weeks ago I had a review and he
suggested the strength of my medication be
increased due to the degeneration of my damaged
spine (I broke my back at 15 as you know).

My supposed drug problems were actually when I
decided I was becoming too dependent on the drug
and went “cold turkey” to lessen my tolerance.
And I don’t use, never have used nor have I ever
bought Morphine tablets. My “drug problem” is in
your head and I wasn’t even on pain killers in
the bush.

So much for your “…seven years dealing with
Fiona's drug problems (and the lies and betrayals
that go with it)…” get real Mick, I think you
have lost the plot so severely that you are
starting to believe your own fabrications –
that’s the only explanation I can think of for
your continuous bullshit you write about me.

Either that or you really are a nasty creature
who has, over the past 4 months, publicly
vilified me because I asked you to return my
computer that had been sitting on the floor of
your room. I thought this fair enough as I had no
computer and you had 2, the one I bought on hire
purchase and left with you when I went to Sydney
and David Timber’s that you have taken over and I
wanted to use mine.

Yes, I’d said you could use my computer when I
had nowhere to put it and you said yours was full
and you convinced me you were shortly going to
jail. But I asked for it back as you weren’t
using it and I needed it, you were constantly
berating me for not doing anything on darwin indy
but when I pointed out I had no computer you just
got angrier.

And I discovered that you “going to jail in 3
weeks” was just something you pulled out when
garnering sympathy – reality being unless you
withdraw your appeal and go to court asking to
serve your sentence you can’t go to jail until
after the appeals of the other “Parliament
Invaders” are heard in October and then, if they
lose that, they have exhausted all of the
sentencing appeal process. You have been “going
to jail in 3 weeks” since June 2004.

Oh dear, that wasn’t another lie you told was it?

I know you have repeatedly stated that you
“refused to associate with Fiona anymore” but in
the real world I woke up and refused to let you
berate and bully me anymore. You have no idea how
wonderful it feels to be free of your arrogant
and brutal abuse of me.

When I took you back the last time you had fooled
me into thinking you had changed, you were
actually nice to me and said nice things about me
– I thought you had learnt to appreciate all the
support I had given you since 1998, but it didn’t
last, soon you were back to yelling denigrating
insults at me and demanding I do this, do that,
go here blah, blah, blah. Finally I saw you for
the sexist, homophhobic arsehole you are and had
enough respect for myself to dump you.

Note: I have left out Shayne’s comments, if you
want to see what Mick is “rebutting” checkout
Mick’s post.

Mick - A bit rich from an org that have
characterised us as liars by over-ruling our
decisions and (as has been proven) good
judgement. Not only were we correct in our
actions -- these people have continued lying to
perth and oceania -- compounding their offences.

Fi: You have a bad habit of using the royal “we”,
“our”, “us” when in reality it is me, me, me or
rather you, you, you. Your editorial privileges
were suspended by consensus of 5 members of the
dimc, you, David and Mindy did not attend the
meeting, you establishing an “us and them”
mentality that displays your refusal to make any
attempt to work with anyone you can’t control.

I was able to admit that I had been unfairly
offensive towards Rob Inder-Smith and apologise
so that we could work together, there was nothing
to be gained by my continuing to make unfounded
accusations about someone I hardly knew, but you
went the other way, broadening and increasing
your vile name-calling, adding Viki and myself to
your “expelled” list because we refused to go
along with your fabricated minutes (my
hand-written minutes prove no-one was expelled
and Rob wasn’t even mentioned) and you started
rewriting the past 7 years, painting me as a
chronic drug-abuser where only weeks before I was
your loyal, lone supporter.

I was there when a whole community was against
you and Belyuen mob steered clear of you because
you “caused too much trouble”. I was there Mick,
when 3 cars of police raided our home while you
were in Darwin. I was there when the local
fire-captain, formerly your best friend, torched
your dope plants - incidentally he was the
Aboriginal man who smashed down your house.

I was always there when you needed me Mick, I
flew back from Sydney in January 2004 because I
was worried about you, you were so depressed over
your break-up with your girlfriend. I was always
there for you Mick, but as soon as I refused to
support your libellous fabrications you showed
your true colours, by not just ignoring all the
support I had given you, my unfailing loyalty but
trying to hurt me as much as you could by
publishing your “Fiona is a fucked-up drug
addict” that you had “put up with” for 7 years
story.

You disgust me.

Mick - Then let me help - A "suggestion" that
ignores the wishes (We said NO) of the injured
party (We were called liars by Fiona) and ends in
punishing them for non-compliance is most
assuredly "force".

Fi: That “we” again Mick. Actually it was just
you that I “called” a liar – not by actually
saying you were a liar but by my speaking the
truth – that Gary and Rob were not expelled at
the meeting at OMD, a fact that is backed up by
my hand-written minutes. You, not “them” were
“punished” for abusing your editorial
responsibility by having you access to the
password suspended. You decided that you wouldn’t
make any attempt to sort things out with the rest
of the collective.

Mick - As I told you -- I did a great deal for
these two people (Viki and Fiona)-- only to have
them betray me in the cruelest way. They knew it
would hurt me deeply.

Fi: Turn this statement around and see how nicely
it describes Mick’s behaviour towards me after 7
years of sticking by him.

Mick - - By associating with Meyerhoff, who they
had nothing to do with since the ugly and unjust
police incident -- and by causing me drama with
indymedia -- which I have been involved with
since 1999.

Fi: I was able to “bury the hatchet” and after
seeing how you turned on me and my being
physically scared of you for the first time – I
didn’t know this crazy person and didn’t know
where your threats would lead – I understood the
“police incident” although I made it clear to the
people involved that I had a problem with it but
could understand why they felt it necessary. And
the only person to cause you drama with indymedia
was yourself Mick. You shot yourself in the foot,
then proceeded to dig your own hole and jump into
it. Stop blaming others for the consequences of
your own behaviour.

Mick: It was an attempt to "force" me to meet
with them.

Fi: It was a suggestion that we would all be
better served if you could get off your
high-horse just once and try to work with people
rather than trying to be the great leader
surrounded by “yes” men and women.

Mick: It is insulting to me, that you didn't
believe me capable of making such a decision
ethically and that you believe it was
hard-hearted. It was a decision I had to make for
my own well-being and that of the people who
deserve my help.

Fi: I am so very grateful that I don’t deserve
your help Mick, your sort of self-destroying help
I can do without. It is so refreshing to have a
life again since I refused to associate with you.

Mick: Fiona's unethical response to that decision
led to her expulsion and of course Meyerhoff was
there to capitalise on it.

Fi: My unethical response? To what, refusing to
support your lies and your self-serving
manipulation of dimc? Look up ethics in the
dictionary mate, seems it’s so long since you had
any you’ve forgotten what it means.

Mick: This is an extract from the email I sent to
you when we expelled Fiona.

"I do love her (Fiona) - even Ema - but I don't
like/trust either of them anymore and the cause
has always come first. She'll die if NAP get her
back again mate. I just couldn't go through it
all again."

"But you wouldn't listen."

Fi: What a load of crap. You have never loved me
Mick, you have been quite clear on that point
from the start. You had a use for me and I let
you use me. You couldn’t go through what again?
Me dying again? Funny, I could have sworn I was
alive last time I looked. Since extracting myself
from the strangle-hold you had on me no-one
controls me and certainly not an undefined “NAP”.
You just can’t give me credit for taking care of
myself – though I guess that’s understandable
considering how I let you use, abuse and
manipulate me for so long. But I learnt from that
experience, I’m very much my own woman and loving
it. And stronger than ever.

Mick: I'd point out that our collective which
had forgiven Fiona already and were witnesses to
Fiona's raves against Meyerhoff and Inder-Smith,
did not hesitate to expel the pair for lying.

Fi: “our collective” your us and them mentality
is childish and unproductive. Forgiven me for
what? Really, I don’t have a clue what you’re
talking about. I have admitted I mouthed off
about Gary and Rob, I’m not proud of being so
undeservedly offensive towards them and have
apologised and have made effort to work with
them. Funny, I quite like Rob now that I’ve
actually let myself get to know him.

Mick - When Meyerhoff and Inder-Smith were
expelled – you (Shayne) stated "That's up to the
individual collective".

Fi: Shayne was still under the mistaken belief
that it was a collective decision rather than a
Mick Lambe one. Shayne used to have a lot of
respect for you Mick, I think you might have
disillusioned him somewhat.

Mick: Viki and Fiona were party to those
expulsions despite their later claims to the
contrary. False claims that were fully deserving
of expulsion. And "...up to the individual
collective".

In fact - Fiona and Viki set the precedent for
their own expulsion.

Fi: pmsl … that’s beautiful Mick. As my
hand-written minutes prove the words “expelled”
or “expulsion” were never used. In fact, you
could no more expel Gary or Rob than you could
Viki or myself. You claim to have expelled 4
members of a 5 to 7 member collective. Was
Mussolini your uncle?

Mick - So why wasn't it "darwin's business" when
we refused to meet with these liars, sexists and
racists? And apart from your right to make a
"suggestion" -- what right did you have to give
these people our indymedia -- when they lied (and
continued to lie) to perth and indymedia?

Fi: “our indymedia” Last time I checked the
Global Indymedia Network is based on the
principle of Open Publishing. Your possessive
“Mick Lambe is God” attitude is showing again.
And don’t you dare call me a racist – even you
can’t be that two-faced. You know where I stand
regarding racism and, I have learnt the full
story and context of the statement that you
misquoted to me and others to “prove” Gary is a
racist. It’s crap. For reasons I will not divulge
here I have seen for myself that Gary is no
racist and while I’m at it he’s not middle-class
either, he was raised by his mother, a sole
parent, in a very poor neighbourhood. His only
“crime” is being white and from England, but then
so are you.

Mick - Has anyone actually read any anarchist
tracts out there? The court of public opinion?
It's the only court that matters. We're expelled
from indymedia but that hasn't stopped us from
appealing. The people now running DIM are quiet
because they can only rely on perth's power
(force) as a host to prevent justice being done.
The truth is not on their side.

Fi: Again with the “we”. Not only is “We're
expelled” incorrect – you have had your editorial
responsibilities suspended, you weren’t expelled
and have made no effort to meet with the rest of
the collective to discuss why you should be
trusted with the editorial password.

No-one has ever been expelled from dimc. The
“people now running DIM” are quiet because they
aren’t obsessed with being dictators or
glorifying themselves into trying to prove their
shit doesn’t stink – as you seem fanatically
intent on doing.

Mick, you are really very sick mate, Cowdy Ward
is there for people like you. Get help before
it’s too late.

http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/imc-oceania/2005-June/002823.html

Where are the minutes of the meeting where you expelled Fiona and Vicki, Mick?

Darwin lost the plot because you illegally and arbitrarily expelled 4 members of your collective in February/March 2005.

http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/resolve/2006-August/0826-r1.html

You call that consensus decision making? Your a meglomaniac.

Both Fiona and Vicki have rejected the notion that Gary or Robert were expelled on 6 Feb, so the minutes of the meeting Mick produced from the rough notes of Fiona are unconfirmed as a true record by two members.

Only you and Fiona were eligible voting members at that meeting at One Mile Dam on 6 Feb. For David, Mindy, Freddy and Vicki it was their first meeting and they did not have voting rights (need to attend at least two meetings to have voting rights)

Fiona has never confirmed the expulsion of Gary (or Rob), (which is her right), which means one vote for and one against. Sounds like a real sham meeting that you planned to get rid of vocal opposition to yourself. Vicki has confirmed Fiona's version of events at the meeting.

Although it is claimed that Meyeroff and Indersmith were expelled at this meeting, Fiona claims this was a sham meeting. In an email to the Darwin list on 31 March 2005 she says: "Neither Rob Inder-Smith nor Gary Meyerhoff were
expelled from the DIM Collective"
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-darwin/2005-March/0331-8f.html

Vikki was also at the meeting (first meeting) and verified Fiona's account.
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-darwin/2005-April/0401-u9.html

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By the way, when exactly was the meeting when you expelled Fiona and Vicki, and where are the publicly available (must be transparent) minutes of THAT meeting?
All I could find was an April Fools Day announcement from Mick on Oceania list.
"The DIM collective do not want Viki and Fiona on board anymore."
http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/imc-oceania/2005-April/002631.html
=======================================

The following special meeting that Fiona called for 16 April has far more legitimacy. They should have expelled you, but they didn't - just took away your admin access and asked for you to mend your ways. Instead you launched a diatribe against them on the Darwin Indy list, Darwin newswire, and started broardening your attacks to Perth, who refused to support you, then any other Indy person and indy newswire in Australia.

http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/resolve/2006-August/0826-r1.html

A month ago, before I had deeply investigated the Darwin dispute, I
thought your group may have had a case for being part of the Indymedia
network, though I did think your group should go through the new-imc
process. As a feature writer and journalist for Melbourne I respected
your journalism and your social activism.

After reading the voluminous amount of emails from all sides in this
debate I have come to the conclusion you have manipulated people
directly in Darwin and in the network. And when manipulation didn't work
you overwhelmed them with cut and paste emails. When that didn't work -
there were still a few people left asking questions or trying to find a
way to resolve this to the satisfactin of all - you bullied and abused
them, called them racist or fascist, and made veiled threats of revenge.

Mick, I have read all the emails on Darwin-imc, oceania-imc, resolve,
and many on new-imc lists and I have a number of questions about the
meeting processes around the pivotal event at the heart of this dispute
- the Darwin Indymedia collective meeting at One Mile Dam on 6 February,
2005.

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1. Darwin Meeting Process and procedure

a. Why was an Indymedia meeting (Feb 06, 2005) organised at your home at
One Mile Dam rather than a neutral space, when there was obvious enmity
and conflict between you and Gary Meyerhoff, and possibly between Fiona
and Gary?

b Voting rights. It has been said that your collective had a requirement
that members needed to attend at least two meetings to have voting
rights. Only you and Fiona were eligible voting members at that meeting
at One Mile Dam on 6 Feb. For David, Mindy, Freddy and Viki it was their
first meeting and they did not have voting rights. So only you and Fiona
had the right to make an expulsion decision.

c. Confirmation of the minutes as an accurate record. Minutes of
meetings are usually confirmed at the next meeting or by the
participants at some later stage before the next meeting. Fiona in her
numerous emails on imc-Darwin, oceania and resolve lists has
continuously confirmed she took the rough meeting notes but rejected
your typed and embellished minutes as a true record of the meeting.
Therefore the minutes have not been accepted as an accurate record of
that meeting and are void.

For Basic minutes procedure see
"Minutes should be accepted by all members of the group before being
entered into record. Accepting minutes can be done by distributing the
minutes of a meeting after it is complete but before the next meeting.
At the following meeting, the first item on the agenda could be to
approve the last meeting's minutes."
http://cooptools.ca/Consensus+Decision-Making+Glossary+of+Terms#id678326.

d. Decision to Expel Gary. Fiona's notes do not use 'expulsion' at all,
they say "Gary meyerhoff was evicted from OMD start of meeting". So it
was your embellishment of the minutes that interpreted the decision as
expulsion. Fiona has never confirmed the expulsion of Gary. Viki has
confirmed Fiona's version of events at the meeting. This effectively
means there was no unanimous collective decision made to expel Gary. It
was an autocratic decision of yours in embellishing the minutes which
were subsequently rejected by both Fiona and Viki.

e. Decision to Expel Rob. Rob was never even mentioned in Fiona's
meeting notes. This was pure embellishment by you in the minutes you
prepared. Once again, this decision was never confirmed by Fiona or Viki.

See your posting of rough minutes and your embellished minutes at
Melbourne Indymedia:
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/91676_comment.php

See Fiona's commentary on the meeting:
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/resolve/2006-July/0723-ho.html

On April 7 you explained your reasons for the expulsions: "Gary and Rob
are not fit to run or belong to anything. That's why they were expelled.
Viki and Fiona lied about that expulsion that's why they were expelled."
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-darwin/2005-April/0407-8p.html

Two of those present have rejected your embellished minutes of the
meeting, so any decisions made were effectively void.

************************************************

2. Why did it take a computer capable person such as yourself nearly two
months to send out the minutes of that meeting on Feb 6, 2005?

The notes that Fiona made of the meeting "were used to draw up the
minutes that were sent to perth that night and for two months afterwards
Fiona said nothing"
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/resolve/2006-March/0319-qs.html

You say you "Sent to perth February 6, 2005 " the minutes of the meeting
on the evening of 6 Feb, but Allan_X from Perth collective denies that
they had been received by 14 March, 5 weeks later. Allan X (Perth IMC)
when asked if Perth has the Darwin minutes (for 6 Feb) replies "In see
nothing on our lists, or remember any correspondence about this. I may
be mistaken, but I know nothing of this and I am as much a part of Perth
Indy as anyone." In another email he says "I havent seen these "Minutes"
Mich mentioned. Maybe other members of Perth Indymedia have - But
definately not to my knowledge. "
http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/imc-oceania/2005-March/002567.html
http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/imc-oceania/2005-March/002568.html

Gary and Rob learnt about their expulsion from your emails to Oceania
list on 12th March when you announced the expulsion of Gary and Robert:
http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/imc-oceania/2005-March/002550.html

On the 13 March you say to Oceania: "We have not released details
(minutes) that would only harm NAP and profit the system here."
http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/imc-oceania/2005-March/002560.html

It takes another 7 days before Mick announces the expulsions on the
Darwin List
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-darwin/2005-March/0319-nk.html

Fiona only got to read the embellished minutes on 31 March!
http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/imc-oceania/2005-March/002621.html

You claim in that article on MIM
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/91676_comment.php
that "2 months later Viki and Fiona claimed these expulsions never
occurred and the minutes were 'fabricated'" yet the reason they did not
comment was your failure to circulate the embellished minutes to Darwin
collective members, on the Darwin-imc list, and even to the Darwin imc
sponsor, Perth IMC.

Those meeting minutes were missing for nearly two months! Why did it
take you so long to send them out? And why did you accuse Fiona of
silence when she obviously had not read your neat version of the minutes
till around 31 March?

********************************************

3. When exactly was the DIM meeting when you expelled Fiona and Viki,
and where are the publicly available minutes of THAT meeting? Who
attended? What decisions were made?

29 Mar 05: Mick announces "Viki and Fi may be leaving the collective -
that's their decision and makes little difference to us."
http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/imc-oceania/2005-March/002617.html

31 Mar 05: Fiona reads the minutes of 6 Feb meeting, and refutes that
any expulsions occurred.
http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/imc-oceania/2005-March/002621.html

01 April 05: Mick sends a message to Oceania list: "The DIM collective
do not want Viki and Fiona on board anymore."

http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/imc-oceania/2005-April/002631.html

Someone has been asking this question repeatedly on the newswire and you
repeatedly avoid answering it. From your responses, I must assume this
was an autocratic decision by yourself to expel Viki and Fiona. The most
blatant example of disregarding democratic decision making and transparency.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/120856_comment.php#120893

********************************************

Based upon embellished minutes of a meeting, that have been repeatedly
rejected by two people at that meeting you have:

- abused democratic consensus decision making. Even if you argue Gary
and Rob's expulsion was legal as it occurred through a Collective
meeting (though the minutes are contested), the expulsion of Viki and
Fiona has not been justified even by yourself - it was an autocratic
decision based upon their rejection of minutes you wrote.

- spammed Oceania and new-imc lists and been banned from both those lists.

- repeatedly spammed the newswires of Oceania IMCs

- slandered and abused Indymedia activists who sought to investigate
and offer conflict resolution for the dispute
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/resolve/2006-April/0410-6e.html

- Twice attempted by subterfuge to have DNS people route
darwin.indymedia.org to your website at dimc.axxs.org without resolving
the Darwin conflict.
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/dns-tech/2005-July/0701-sr.html
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/dns-tech/2006-January/0109-ji.html
The second time assisted by an anonymous Perth Indy person
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/01/102882_comment.php#102987

- Abused and slandered the DIMC webhost when they objected to your
slanderous methodology and requested politely you move your site to
another host
http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/imc-oceania/2006-August/003171.html

- Rejected suggestions by people trying to resolve the conflict that
your group should apply to new-imc.

- Attempted to block a legitimate application by other Darwin activists
applying for IMC status and was banned from new-imc
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2006-March/0308-nb.html
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2006-March/0318-81.html
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2006-May/date.html

And you still demand to be part of the Indymedia network and have use of
darwin.indymedia.org for the group you are in?

In my opinion you have shown that you can't work in a group where other
people disagree with you, and you can't work in a network environment
where being polite, patient and willing to work through conflict
resolution constructively really is a necessity.

I am hoping lessons will be drawn from this dispute by other collectives:

- draw up a conflict resolution policy in advance
- don't be afraid to ask for help from outside groups for conflict
resolution, including outside mediation
- be prepared to compromise to resolve the conflict
- work out ahead of time membership critera, methods of expulsion or
disassociation (clear rules).
- don't keep arguing. As soon as you recognise a conflict spiralling
out of control try to use conflict resolution mechanisms.

John Windmueller had some interesting things to say on conflict
resolution process within the Indymedia Network
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/resolve/2006-August/0826-yk.html

And it would be good if this could be pursued for putting into place a
conflict resolution process for future conflicts. I'll certainly put up
my hand to assist in this regard.

Takver
One of Melbourne IMC

perth got te minutes that day - that is how the password was changed the following day.

THe DIMC's Aboriginal members also confirm mick's version.

Mick, Please prove that Perth IMC (your server host and sponsor) received the minutes on Feb 6 or Feb 7.

Until you get someone from Perth IMC to front up with that email you supposedly sent to them on the night of Feb 6 of the meeting minutes, no-one should believe you. There is no documentation in February at all on the imc-darwin list - a failure of process in the Darwin collective, especially the absence of the minutes of the meeting on Feb 6, 2005.

In regard to Darwin Site Passwords, seeing that you raised the issue:

14 Mar 2005 Allanboyd (Perth IMC) says to Gary in regards to slanderous material being posted on the Darwin website - "I'd say hide it yeah - especially if Mick is hiding the ones slandering him." (Implies Allanboyd thought both Gary and Mick had the site password)
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-darwin/2005-March/0314-oq.html

15 Mar 2005 Gary says "I attended the last Darwin Indymedia Collective
meeting but was verbally abused and forced to leave by Mick Lambe prior to the meeting. Maybe the Darwin Indy Collective has been meeting
secretly. Until that point I was an editor of the Darwin Indy site BUT THE PASSWORD WAS CHANGED WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE so I cannot delete the comments myself." (Strongly Implies Gary was locked out by another site administrator)
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-darwin/2005-March/0315-2a.html

19 Mar 2005 Rob requests DIMC removes slanderous comments (Implies Rob does not have the site password)
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-darwin/2005-March/0319-ep.html

16 Apr 2005 Minutes of Darwin Indy meeting held 16th April 2005 which authorised Perth to change the passwords to exclude Mick Lambe from admin duties
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-darwin/2005-April/0416-n7.html

Gary and Rob read about their expulsions on the Oceania list in mid March.
http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/imc-oceania/2005-March/002550.html

AllanX (perth imc) said in mid-March he had not seen the DIMC minutes of 6 Feb
http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/imc-oceania/2005-March/002567.html
http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/imc-oceania/2005-March/002568.html

So my guess is that you removed Gary's administration rights to the website about Feb 7. Or perhaps it was a Perth IMC person operating outside the jurisdiction of their collective informed by you. (Once again - get them to front up with the emails to prove your side of the story) You were the sole administrator of the website from then until after the meeting on April 16, in which the meeting requested resetting ALL passwords and excluding you from site administration, which Perth (as the server host) subsequently acted upon.

That meeting on April 16 was advertised on imc-darwin website several times for a neutral location. Minutes were published on the imc-darwin website. Perth thought it was a legitimate meeting of the Darwin collective and acted upon those minutes. Your non-attendance showed your immaturity to work with other people at a meeting advertised in advance on the official Darwin email list.

At least Gary had the guts to show up at the meeting on Feb 6 at a 'hostile meeting location', and he was abused for it and left to avoid escalating a conflict. And then you didn't even have the guts to email him to tell him you had expelled him, let alone allow him to hear the accusations and offer a defence in a collective meeting. That is your meeting process and conflict resolution process. Summary expulsion.

And you accuse everyone else in the Network of being autocratic?