mossad agents Killing Oz Tourists to Steal their Identity used in terror opps : Melbourne Indymedia

The Israeli Mossad agent Zev Barkan has been running Asian criminal gangs used to obtain Australian Identity documents and other passports stolen from Australians Killed in Asia, a New Zealand security official has said.

I was contacted by a New Zealand official, who has intelligence connections in Asia while I was shopping in Toul Tom Pong Market in Phnom Penh and provided documents to support this information on the condition that it remain anonymous and I not publish the documents considering the risk to officials if the source of this leak was identified, this New Zealand official said Barkan was connected to an Israeli terrorist cell operating out of Thailand.

"He goes to Laos, Cambodia, Burma and Thailand and is running gangs that he pays to kill tourists, and steal their Identity papers passports then cover it up, most just disappear or their deaths have been reported as accidents, drownings and such, they like to throw their victims off the side of tour boats" said a New Zealand security official

Barkan has been named by New Zealand authorities as the kingpin in a passport theft ring for which two Israelis with Australian links were jailed for six months last week in Auckland.

One of the jailed men, Eli Cara, 50, had his rented home in Turramurra raided by ASIO in March. A short time later, he was arrested in New Zealand.

The New Zealand Government has named Barkan, Cara and the other convicted man, Uriel Kelman, as Mossad agents.

Barkan fled New Zealand before police moved in. There are reports that Barkan, using a Stolen Canadian Identity documents, has now made a move to North Korea out of reach of authorities.

"Barkan is mostly interested in passports and identity documents, there have been a number of Australian killed for their passports."

Intelligence analysts in New Zealand believe Barkan, a former navy diver in the Israeli IOF, was trying to secure a clean passports for use in Israeli terrorist operations in the region.

Barkan had grown up in Washington as Zev Bruckenstein, where his father was director of religious studies at a synagogue.

A New Zealand security official says his services have uncovered an Israeli operation to create al-Qaeda cells in Thailand. The security official in Thailand said Israeli terrorist are posing as operatives of al-Qaeda.

Over the past nine months we have been investigating eight cases, 11 people informed us of this Israeli operation, asking Thai Landers to join al-Qaeda. One email had even been signed by the al-Qaeda leader, Osama bin Laden. a New Zealand official said.

A New Zealand official said his services had traced back to Israel the phone calls and emails - purportedly from Germany and Lebanon and Pakistan.

We investigated the origin of those calls and found out they all came from Israel.

The people the Israelis tried to recruit were then given stolen Australian documents, and received money and weapons.

The money was provided by Israel directly to the recruits or was transferred from bank accounts in Jerusalem or Israel, said the New Zealand official.

This same shit was posted on Sydney IMC (http://sydney.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=43798&group=webcast) where it sits untouched as the admins argue in a separate thread why the site is considered a joke.

It was partly lifted from an SMH article and then distorted to add the bits about Osama, the Mossad (where NZ has failed to actually prove this or charge them accordingly) and hide bits such as "suspected" to try and make it look definitive when it is not.

Googling led me to this: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/18/1090089038600.html?oneclick=true

Almost identical to the above except for some cosmetic changes. Specifically: The headline (mossad agents Killing Oz Tourists to Steal their Identity to use in fake al-Qaeda operations) - yeah right...

Then, where the SMH referred to "There are unconfirmed reports that Barkan..." the poster deleted the word unconfirmed. Why create doubt on a good Israel bashing eh?

Additionally, where the poster above wrote "Barkan, a former navy diver in the Israeli IOF [sic], was trying to secure a clean passports [sic] for use in Israeli terrorist operations in the region." we should all have been skeptical.

The original article said: "Barkan, a former navy diver in the Israeli Defence Force, was trying to secure a "clean" passport for use in a sensitive Israeli undercover operation in the region, less risky than a forged passport."

Hmmm... Sensitive undercover operation becomes terrorism. Could it be that Israel is chasing real terrorists?

The whole last half of the article (final 6 paragraphs) are complete fabrication. No source, no evidence, no truth, no problem.

Yawn....

" bkmc ' or similar
' Richard Woltstonecroft' ( may be the same , hard to find anyone who gives two shits to confirm that)
' Leon Carter' ( blames jews for the holocaust...could be right. )
' Spinifex ' ( for making Israel supporters look barken mad )
' nazihunter ' same reason as above.
' brian' ( to be kneecapped only )
' pr ' Strict orders from Arial and Shimon to nuke Kyneton

What about Nigel?

Oh, yeah. That's right. He thinks Israel is in its "death throes" doesn't he?

NZ has askd for it a bit ( this is not a defence just a background). They have had a really lax set of passport controlls for a long time.
If they were to have a proper look I think a lot of "extra" passports would turn up, From a lot of organisations.
To their credit I believe they are reviewing their system.

Interesting story, fits with the many stories saying al quaeda etc are just the bunnies for Mossad &/or CIA.

Super rapid smother operation by 'nazihunter' (<30mins to find story, read, research & conclude false), discrete planting of 'antiMossad=Nazi' meme, very professional job.

The Nation of Islam and the KKK liased and worked together because they both shared the same interests.

They both wanted to spread hate and division because it increased their own power over the masses.

The authorities unofficially tolerated them while they assasinate Malcolm X and MLK because the ruling class and state stay in power through divide and conquer.

By spraying out dozens of theories that make no sense or have glaring flaws that have been repeatedly exposed, those with something to hide can discredit the idea that anything other than 'official sources' might represent the truth.

Creating 'cognitive dissonance' they call it, its why those with power &/or money have no need of direct censorship to obscure their doings.

Its a lot of work, but it effectively disrupts open publishing mediums like indymedia and stops mainstream journo's ever getting ideas for themselves.

Mole, where in the name of Arafat's underpants did you get the impression NZ has had lax passport rules. Israel has also done the same to Canada and most likely done the some to Australia whilst you were all concentrating on babys being chucked off ships and crawling in the shadow of a Bush.

At least the Kiwi have laid the law down, I believe the Israeli embassy is in Australia.

Looking at the way Howard is fawning over George B, and your underarm bowling history, I wouldnt put it past you aussies for giving them the idea.

The real reason why they went for NZ passports because according to so called experts, NZ has the safest passports in the world that allows people free access, unlike Australia, Usa, Britain and the northern hemisphere countries.

We dont go around chucking stones at the North Koreans over their nuclear weapons armoury of about 4, when Israel hass 200 thermo nuclear bombs do we, we chuck em at all countries. It could be the reason why our passports are so much in demand is because our leaders will ensure any country needs to apologise promptly for transgressing the soveriegnty of our country. Remember, Nuclear Free Zones and American warships not allowed in NZ if they are Nuclear powered or contain Nuclear weapons, again that ban includes all countries who carry/have nuclear weapons.

We dont go running to America crying if we have an opponent who looks like his party could be the new Government in Australia and then George B and Colin P, are on your national TV, lambasting Latham.

When did Australia become the 54th State of America ?

At least this side of the ditch the ANZAC spirit remains strong and free, and long may it be so.

Followup debate is interesting.

What's not acceptable is that this article, a blatant fabrication proved as such remains on the site.

And you wonder why the site isn't taken seriously? Fear what happened to Sydney....

So what did happen in Sydney? Did they turn and look backwards and were turned into pillars of salt or something? Am I old enough to know?

What happened in Sydney was this. When SIM didn't do what Nazihunter and his friends wanted which was basically editorial control they adopted the personas of rabid Nazis and spammed the wire with insane, over the top anti-semitic bullshit. Then they blamed it all on SIM.

Don't let that happen here. Ban him, ban him now.

Ta, for the explanation, Mum just said I have to go to bed now before some adult type stuff comes down in response and I learn new words.
Nighty night.

It's too bad about the Sydney site going down. I was quite enjoying the hurly burly of it all. Personally I considered the article itself to be somewhat unlikely. I can't see why anyone would need to kill someone for their passport when you can just steal their bag with the passport in it. Unlikeliness of the posted article aside, I still think the conversation worth having. Especially given that the standard Packer/Murdoch media is so utterly uninterested in persueing the implications of mossad agents posing as members of Commonwealth nations.

This is something that will redound on anyone who travels. It's entirely possible that the visa free travel that you've become used to could be revoked thanks entirely to Israeli agents abusing your passport.

Do a google search using 'mossad agents canadian passport assassination'. See how many times they've been caught assassinating people whilst posing as Canadians. See how many times Canada has protested. See how Israel sort-of apologised and then continued right on doing it. See how you didn't see any of this covered in the standard Packer/Murdoch/government media.

That's why these conversations, even if they end up spattered in the mad ravings of racists from both sides, are worth having.

And to the people of New Zealand - Don't worry there are plenty of people in Oz who are appalled and ashamed at where this country is going and wish we had someone with half the integrity and balls of Helen Clark. We look forward to the next election. Me, I'm in a punishing mood.

"So what did happen in Sydney? Did they turn and look backwards and were turned into pillars of salt or something? Am I old enough to know?"

I heard that SIM blew themselves uo in solidarity with palestinian terrorists, and Iraqi suicide bombers...just like Adolph in the bunker...shoot the dog, kill the wife and take the pill!

Why do you assume the "Packer/Murdoch media" didn't cover this? In fact the article above, which I am upset about lifted MOST of the text from an SMH article (yes, it's Fairfax but you get the point). The problem is that the poster added his own COMPLETELY UNSUBSTANTIATED LIES about murder etc. as part of ongoing anti-Israel smear campaign.

Despite ridiculous conspiracy theorist claims that all the anti-Semitic articles plaguing Sydney IMC are in fact posted by Jews, it's abundantly clear that there are REAL anti-Semites, bigots, racists and arseholes spamming the wire (and then insisting as usual that is all the Jews' fault). To the point where I ask what is the point of an unmoderated newswire.

The article at the top of this page is a blood libel. Disgusting!

" Despite ridiculous conspiracy theorist claims that all the anti-Semitic articles plaguing Sydney IMC are in fact posted by Jews, it's abundantly clear that there are REAL anti-Semites, bigots, racists and arseholes spamming the wire (and then insisting as usual that is all the Jews' fault). To the point where I ask what is the point of an unmoderated newswire."

There's a deeper problem...Portland IM is heavily moderated...so moderated, that any articles posted supporting Israel, or against anti-semitism are censored, while articles which blame jews for everything from tooth decay to global warming are left for all to see...
the bias is in the censorship (moderation)...the agenda is pushed and propaganda is offered as "news"

I have a problem with the regular media both in the specific and the general. In the specific, what we know is that a four man squad of mossad agents attempted to illegally obtain a New Zealand passport. Apart from that one article in the Herald, which was as measured as any other article discussing the activities of terrorists the media did not follow this story. Nobody ever asked Philip Ruddock the obvious (and not so obvious) questions. Things like - Mr Ruddock, are you seriously suggesting that these mossad spies, some of whom were based in Sydney, wouldn't have tried to obtain Australian passports? Mr Ruddock, you say that Australian passports have "a range of measures to ensure a high degree of integrity". Are you suggesting that New Zealand passports don't? What sort of tinpot country do you think New Zealand is? Mr Ruddock, are you aware that mossad has assassinated people in the Middle East on numerous occasions posing as Canadians, once using a 1000 kg bomb that destroyed an entire building killing 15?

To say that the media did cover this story is disingenuous. Apart from a few very gentle articles in the SMH nobody persued this. Nobody. Me, I didn't see a single TV show that asked if mossad agents had ever attempted to illegally obtain an Australian passport. And the question is SO obvious. But nobody would touch it. Perhaps you read the letter I posted on the Sydney site that the SMH wouldn't print. Was that a nutbar letter? Was I asking unreasonable questions? Was I raving deliriously? But that letter was NEVER going to get printed. And this is Fairfax. Packer and Murdoch, Ha! Even SBS, whom I admire tremendously, suggested that the agents wanted the NZ passport for the 'entre' it would provide. What? Like it's a platinum mastercard or something? You wave your NZ passport around and you get a better seat at restaurants. Comedy! Those passports are to provide cover for assassins.

Perhaps what we really need is a posting that details the history of Israeli assassinations abroad. It goes back some thirty years. This is the background that's required to put this NZ passport brouhaha in perspective. It's exactly what we're talking about. How can we have a sensible discussion otherwise? But no sensible discussion is possible. That's why we end up in obscure news groups putting up with ranting nutbars spitting invective in every direction discussing silly hypotheses. This conversation is NEVER going to happen in the standard press. So, here we are, we've travelled from the specific to the general. Anybody out there who wants to know how the media functions generally, in relation to any discusssion about Israel, need only go to fair.com or wrmea.com. Terrific websites.

But otherwise, it's an absolute gold-plated certainty that any discussion relating to any perfidy on the part of Israel no matter how calmly discussed or reasonable in intent will inevitably result in claims of anti-semitism. No comment will be too rational, no question too germane that it won't warrant an hysterical response. Me, I'd like to have a calm and rational discussion as to the nature of Israel's foreign policies but between the two extremes of the standard media all looking the other way and crazy nutbars screaming hysterically I don't think it's possible.

" will inevitably result in claims of anti-semitism"

Hey, how come anti-semites are so afraid of being called anti-semites?
I know...they're controlled by the JEWS!@!@!!!!! LMFAO!!

This was the letter I sent to the editor of the SMH. Really I sent it as an act of bloody-mindedness knowing full well that it would never get printed. Perhaps I'd have had more luck with Murdoch, ha ha ha.

To The Editor,

Mossad has a long history of using Commonwealth passports. Two particular events are especially noteworthy.

In 1997 two Mossad agents attempted to assassinate Hamas member Khaled Meshal in Jordan. The agents were captured and were holding Canadian passports bearing the names Shawn Kendall and Barry Beads. None other than Benjamin Netanyahu stepped into arrange the release of the two agents. He did this by freeing the now also-assassinated Sheik Yassin. Canada complained vociferously and recalled their ambassador. Israel apologised and promised never to do it again. However in 2002 three men again using Canadian passports participated in the assassination of Sheik Salah Shehadeh in Gaza. This attack using a 1000 kg bomb destroyed an apartment building and resulted in the death of fifteen innocent residents.

Now that the countries in which Israel wishes to conduct assassinations view all Canadians as possible Mossad agents it's New Zealand's turn to provide cover. But I'm sure Mossad wouldn't even dream of using Australian passports. The very idea!

yours,

my name and address

PS. Perhaps it's best if we don't talk about it. What do you think Letters Editor? Having Australians and New Zealanders viewed as possible assassins is a small price to pay for allowing Mossad hitmen to carry on unimpeded, don't you think? A trifle, certainly not worth having a discussion about.

"Hey, how come anti-semites are so afraid of being called anti-semites?
I know...they're controlled by the JEWS!@!@!!!!! LMFAO!!"

I'll happily admit I have no idea what this means. But I'd just like to say I don't know this fellow, nor did I pay him to make my point for me. It's simply fortuitous to the point of irony. Thanks 'Anti-Semites R Us'. Has anyone got anything to say on the matter of Mossad agents using Australian passports? Any grown-ups out there?

I am the the US and was trying to read the controversial article on SIM but can't connect.
I can vouch that in the States there have been enough Mossad agents caught in suspicious situations, nabbed by honest local law enforcement and when released to INS are quietly returned to Israel. Media blackout on this and other questionable connections keep popping up like a serial nightmare. No public discussion is allowed here in the USA. There is presently legislation written by Israeli lobbying groups and processed through their senator agents to make saying anything that makes Jews or Israelis feel bad a crime. So much for the truth in the land of the fee and home of the slave.
All I can say is at least NZ's Helen is trying to protect her people and at present is not under the sway of the Global Crime Syndicate that is behind all this terrorism. Whether they used Mossad, CIA, or MI6 for their false flag operations one should always rememeber the first question in a crimal investigation...."Who benefits?"

"There is presently legislation written by Israeli lobbying groups and processed through their senator agents to make saying anything that makes Jews or Israelis feel bad a crime."

LOL!!!! Those MOSSAD agents are good...real good...they're making you look like a paranoid idiot...again!

""There is presently legislation written by Israeli lobbying groups and processed through their senator agents to make saying anything that makes Jews or Israelis feel bad a crime."
LOL!!!! Those MOSSAD agents are good...real good...they're making you look like a paranoid idiot...again!"

For details, as opposed to personal invective and sarcasm, click here - http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/04/64467.html

Also it occurs to me that there are people out there who consider themselves to be on sentinel duty. It's their task to spend all day trawling through websites the political viewpoint of which they disagree with utterly. I suspect that 'Man those guys are good' and 'Anti-Semites R Us' is the same person. Just guessing of course. I suspect he goes to other progressive sites that he also can't stand and does the same thing there. I also suspect he never takes part in anything resembling a sensible discussion. He just points out, unintelligibly, how everyone is a loony. Honestly what is LOL and LMFAO and why would anyone think the English language needs this? Would anyone think I was far off the mark if I concluded he's a teenager? Anyway guy, whoever you are, you'd be much better served if you were to go out the back and have a kick of the footy. Sitting at a computer looking for people to heap shit on is no way to live. Honestly.

You summarily claim that: "what we know is that a four man squad of mossad agents.."

How do you know this when they weren't charged with espionage, there has been no comment from ISrael and it is just as likely, if not highly likely they were regular con-men or organised criminals?

Oh that's right, you know something the rest of us including NZ Judicial and Law-Enforcement systems don't right? Sure. Never let facts get in the way of a bit of Israel conspiracy right?

Guy, you're being comedic surely? Are you seriously suggesting to me that New Zealand recalled its ambassador and suspended diplomatic ties on account of two grifters? Ha ha ha ha. Are you nuts?

But never mind that, let's just cut to the chase. This from today's NZ Herald -

"She [NZ PM Helen Clarke] said the case involved far more than simply criminal behaviour by two individuals.

"The Israeli agents attempted to demean the integrity of the New Zealand passport system and could have created considerable difficulties for New Zealanders presenting their passports overseas in future," she said."

Gee Whiz, nazihunter, you seem hellbent on denying the bleeding obvious. Where is your head at? What piece of plain-as-the-nose-on-your-face evidence of Israeli malfeasance would you not be prepared to call conspiracy theory? Really, I'd be curious if you can name for me any event, just one, in Israel's history that you thought deserved condemnation. Anything? If you can't then you're telling me that Israel stands alone as the only country in the world with a spotless record. You tell me guy.

Bearing in mind Helen Clark's Government has never been particularly friendly to Israel her actions do not surprise me.

My point was not about her actions, rather yours, passing off as fact, what is as yet only speculation.

That point remains.

Is that it? Is that the best you can do? Mate, why don't you just insist that up is down and black is white. You've certainly convinced me of one thing and that is there's no point talking to you.

No wonder you change your name regularly. So you can trick people into talking to you. You might want to question your assumption that in amongst all of these endless and tedious conflicts you get into with people here that its their fault, that you're misunderstood, that everyone else it wrong. Because delusion in matters such as these are deep at the core of one's persona and as you get older they hardened into mental problems. Initially it can be a bit of a lark but later it ain't. Some people are capable of seeing this coming and other people don't and subsequently become desperately unhappy misanthropists at odds with the world.

You're on your own on this one guy. Me, if I get a whiff that I'm talking to you, the conversation is over. Adieu.

Mossad agent linked to Asia scam
By Craig Skehan
July 19, 2004

The fugitive Israeli Mossad intelligence agent Zev Barkan has been dealing with Asian criminal gangs to obtain Australian and other passports stolen in Asia, a New Zealand aid worker has said.

Barkan has been named by New Zealand authorities as the kingpin in a passport scam for which two Israelis with Australian links were jailed for six months last week in Auckland.

One of the jailed men, Eli Cara, 50, had his rented home in Turramurra raided by ASIO in March. A short time later, he was arrested in New Zealand.

The New Zealand Government has named Barkan, Cara and the other convicted man, Uriel Kelman, as Mossad agents.

Barkan fled New Zealand before police swooped. There are unconfirmed reports that Barkan, allegedly using a fraudulent Canadian passport, has since made visits to North Korea.

The New Zealand aid worker, who has intelligence connections in Asia, said Barkan was also connected to an Israeli security company operating out of Thailand.

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"He goes to Laos, Cambodia, Burma and Thailand and deals with gangs who rob tourists of their valuables and passports," the aid worker said.

"Barkan is mostly interested in passports and there have been a number of Australian passports."

Intelligence analysts in New Zealand believe Barkan, a former navy diver in the Israeli Defence Force, was trying to secure a "clean" passport for use in a sensitive Israeli undercover operation in the region, less risky than a forged passport.

The Herald has also been told that Barkan had grown up in Washington as Zev Bruckenstein, where his father was director of religious studies at a synagogue.

I have no problem if you don't want to talk to me.

As for posting under multiple names? Sure. Whatever. Does your tinfoil-hat get hot in the summer?

Why do I get the feeling you never studied the rules of evidence...

H Nazi you are a worthless turd.
You zionazis are a great example of human garbage that needs to be taken OUT ! !

EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT YOUR mossad shit-head are up to cause their frankly not to smart, they keep getting caught cause basically you zioNazis are imbeciles.
A great example is how you stupid fucks just got busted in NZ for robbing the guy in the wheel chair you slime balls are pathetic losers.

Look you son-of-bitchs where just told to take down you illegal wall BY THE WHOLE WORLD OK

You are proven lunatic-criminals so its worthless to talk to dumb-asses like you but the next time the people of the world rise up and SMACK YOU LUNATIC ZIONAZIS DOWN the whole world will all be laughing when your kind starts winning about you being abused

Thanks for another wonderful contribution to the site and humanity.

Actually, he was never robbed nor did he ever come into contact with the Israelis, but why let that get in the way of Israel bashing eh?

Anyway, we all know <a href="http://www.encyclopedia4u.com/l/leon-klinghoffer.html"how people in wheelchairs should be treated right?

How can ' Nazihunter' be such a strong supporter of israel?
Doesn't he know that the jews were behind Hitler?

I am well aware of the tactics YOU, my Zionist ' Nazihunter' ( HA! ) , use to quiet anyone who attempts to expose any of your subversive acts.

If the person is a gentile, you cry, "you're anti-Semitic," which is nothing more than a smokescreen to hide your actions.

But if a Jew is the person doing the exposing, you resort to other tactics:

* First, you ignore the charges, hoping the information will not be given widespread distribution.

* If the information starts reaching too many people, you ridicule the information and the person or persons giving the information.

* If that doesn't work, your next step is character assassination. If the author or speaker hasn't been involved in sufficient scandal, you are adept at fabricating a scandal against the person or persons.

* If none of these are effective, you are known to resort to physical attacks.

But NEVER do you try to prove the information wrong.

So, before you commence efforts to silence me, I offer this challenge:

You Zionists assemble a number of Zionist Jews and witnesses to support your position; and I will assemble a like number of anti- Zionist, pro-American jews and witnesses.

Then, the Zionists and anti-Zionists will state their positions and debate the material in this book as well as related material -- and the debate WILL BE HELD ON PUBLIC TELEVISION.

Let's explore the information both sides can present and let the American people decide for themselves if the information is true or false.

ISN'T THAT A FAIR CHALLENGE?

Certainly, you will willingly accept the challenge if what I have written is false.

But if you resort to crying "Lies, all lies" and refuse to debate, you will, in effect, be telling the American people that what I have written here are the true facts.

-- Jack Bernstein

J e w i s h A n t i - Z i o n i s t O r g a n i z a t i o n s

Here is a list of Jewish anti-Zionist organizations. Whenever a pro- occupation person pretends to speak in the name of all Jews, just recite this list and they will have to pipe down.

1.. Jews NOT Zionist
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

2.. Jewish Peace Fellowship
http://www.jewishpeacefellowship.org/index.htm

3.. Neturei Karta Homepage
http://www.nkusa.org

4.. Yesh Gvul, The movement for IDF men refusing to serve in the Occupied Territories.
http://www.diak.org/

5.. Gush Shalom
http://www.gush-shalom.org/

6.. Bat Shalom, Israeli Women for Peace
http://www.batshalom.org/

7.. Deutsch-Isrelischer Arbeitskreis fur Frieden im Nahen Osten (DIAK)
http://www.batshalom.org/

8.. Eda Haredit, A hundred thousand anti-Zionist Hasidim all at one place.
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/7891/satmar.html

9.. B'Tselem
http://www.btselem.org/

10.. "Occupied Territory"
http://www.occupied.org/

11.. Rabbis for Human Rights
http://www.rhr.israel.net/indexa.html

12.. Not in Our Name Coalition
http://www.diak.org/not_in_our_name.htm

13.. Oz v'Shalom - Netivot Shalom (religious Zionist anti-Occupation)
http://www.ariga.com/ozveshalom/index.asp

14.. The Hidden History of Zionism by Ralph Schoenman:
http://www.balkanunity.org/mideast/english/zionism/

15.. Association for Civil Rights in Israel
http://www.nif.org/

Gosh, you seem awfully afraid of me for some reason. Not sure why, I'm mostly harmless. I don't run around summarily calling INTELLIGENT debaters anti-Semites, merely trolls like you who really ARE anti-Semites.

Yes, there ARE Jews who are dissident. So what? In fact Jews are ALLOWED to have a free opinion. That's why Ha'aretz exists and why Jews can protest against their Government if they want.

Want to know why?

Because Jews don't issue Fatwas!

So what's your point? You don't have one.

My fascination with what's wrong with Israel grows whenever I read threads like this. I would always take a story like this with a grain of salt, but when the crazy cover-up denials fly out of the woodwork, I have to look a lot more closely. Things like finding the article somewhere else with details changed are supposed to discredit it...WHO CARES? I can do the same to any story on CNN. 
I try to understand stories like this in the bigger context of what's going on. Right now, the world has ruled against israel and israel has told them to go fuck themselves. Right now Israel is behaving like an enemy of the world in a really open way. Why on earth would anybody think that they would not be doing it clandestinely???

The real terror masters are revealed. Doesn't this put a significant question mark over the Bali bomb? Looks like the slime balls are finally being revealed for what they are; "Masters of Deceit". The Mossad motto is By Way Of Deception Thall Shalt Do War.

9/11? Madrid? Bali? I can't think of a single Arab or Muslim who has benefitted from these acts but I can think of one country that has benefitted massively.

"Right now Israel is behaving like an enemy of the world in a really open way."

Why should that be suprising? the "world" has told Israel that defnding it's citizens from suicide bombers is a bad idea...I'd say "F**k the world too!
Instead of wanking on and on about Israels efforts at self defense, would the world be better off telling the Arabs to negotiate for peace?
The BLOODY intifada is over, and the Usual Suspects lost another round...

" THANKS for the link, MIKE!"

Yeah, thanks!!! Birthright Israel is a pretty good site!
You might try Little Green Footballs too., and women in Green as well!
http://www.womeningreen.org

Klinghoffer was thrown overboard by Abu Abas ..no?

I heard that Greenpeace was after him ( before he croaked )
for irreparably polluting the ocean when he threw the little bastard in the ocean.

>>> Yeah, thanks!!! Birthright Israel is a pretty good site!

It's kewl because Brooklyn Born fundamentalist killers are entitled to a state-sanctioned and deity "covenented" "birthright" to "return" to where they've never been inthe first place!

But Palestinians have no right to return to their birthplace.

Pretty kewl, huh?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com

The backlash against Israel in the USA is HUGE. You don't get media coverage because of the Zionazi lock on the American news media, but ask your average American how he feels about Israel and you'll get a stream of invective that would melt your PC.

The general feeling here in the Heartland of America is that if we started treating the Jews here the way they treat the Palestinians in the Occupied Territory things would change over there in a New York minute. It's definitely on the agenda. This time next year, as they flee I$rael in droves, Sharon will frantically call for American Jews to migrate to I$rael "because it is safer."

He'll be right.

" The general feeling here in the Heartland of America is that if we started treating the Jews here the way they treat the Palestinians in the Occupied Territory things would change"

Well Foxy... if Jews were blowing up innocent American citizens like the Arabs do...you'd have every right to treat them the way you want to...fact is Jews don't do that kind of thng, while Molsem seem to have a religious duty do do so...(9/11, Bali, Madrid...ad nauseum)
By the way...you speak for a minoriuty in the Heartland,m because most of us here know who the murderers are, and why Israel is defending herself....thanks for playing though...

"Well Foxy... if Jews were blowing up innocent American citizens like the Arabs do...you'd have every right to treat them the way you want to...fact is Jews don't do that kind of thng, while Molsem seem to have a religious duty do do so...(9/11, Bali, Madrid...ad nauseum)"

Typical disinformation from a Zionist who doesn't represent the entire Jews (no, not the wannabe jew from Khazar and East European). Always attempt to blame their crimes to Arabs because Mossad tactics are well known to frame Muslims.

9/11:- "Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you how this information is gathered. This information is classified" quoted by a officier in Carl Cameron on Fox News. Zionist, you always hide this fact given your incapacity to openly refute these arguments.

Bali: - Obviously the bomb is originally from military. Attempt to frame Muslim as usual. The crater evidence pointed out that the bomb can only be used by US agent or military.

Madrid:- your fool. Spanish people didn't bite as they knew this fake terrorism will only benefit the zionists like you. It didin't stop hispanics to kick Aznar out and withdraw their troops from Iraq.

Now your zionist state build a ghetto wall to further steal land from Palestinians. Don't you have a shame? Now your zionists talk to attack either Syria and Iran. Yet, you got your got kicked by Syria, Egypt and Lebanese. The truth is your zionist army is a bunch of coward when they face equal opponent. Go ahead, invade them.

So...Jews are bad. Is that what were saying here.?
jews did 9/11..? next you'l say it was jews who killed themselvs in ww2 (6,000,000 suicides) i guess.

I guess if jews play as alkeda it is to infiltrate and destroy from within.

Although I agree that Zionist methods are extreem.
But we all have our exreemists don't we now?..........

some one said once make love not war...

"So...Jews are bad. Is that what were saying here.?
jews did 9/11..? next you'l say it was jews who killed themselvs in ww2 (6,000,000 suicides) i guess. "

Why are you on defensive? If your read my comment, you will understand. Explain why Sephradic and Fallasha are ill threated by the so-called Jews who rules Occupied Palestine ("Israel")?

Now you put your WW2 rhetorics on your comment while your ignore about the other holocausts that were committed like Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresnel and the 20 millions Russians who gave their lifes to repell Hitler's army. When the like Ernst Zundel questionned about that 6 millions killed jews number giving the number of them at that time, you are unable to publicly prove them wrong. Instead, you arrest them as you have something to hide.

Next time, provide a better argument.

For a different angle on the link between Al Phaedra and the western intelligence agencies google on "Shaylergate".

This is the story of a British intelligence agent who was hauled through the British courts, where testimony was presented that Al Qaida was working as a contractor for western intelligence (to do a ht on Saddam Hussein - that'd be the link Bush id forever spouting) much more recently than you may imagine.

You may wish not to do this if you live in Britain, as Bliar has slapped an almost unprecedented 100 year D-notice on the proceedings.

The last bit of this is not factual -

"Well Foxy... if Jews were blowing up innocent American citizens like the Arabs do...you'd have every right to treat them the way you want to...fact is Jews don't do that kind of thng"

Has anyone here not heard of the USS Liberty? Go to - http://www.uss.liberty.com and you tell me if jews don't do that kind of thing. How about the Lavon affair? Go to http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?strwebhead=%26%238216%3BLavon%20Affair%26%238217%3B%20still%20riles%20Israel&intcategoryid=5&SearchOptimize=Jewish%20NewsS and tell me again. What I find amazing is that these absolutely extraordinary pieces of history are completely unknown. We all know about the USS Cole in which one speedboat killed a handful of people but we never heard of the Liberty in which the Israelis napalmed, strafed and topedoed a US naval vessel for an hour and then machine-gunned the lifeboats for good measure. Bugger me! How is it possible that nobody ever heard of this? What must one conclude knowing that this story will never get shown on TV?

And anyone who wants to tell me that the Liberty was an accident, don't waste your breath. Tell it to the surviving crew of the Liberty and they'll tell you to get fucked.

As for thinking Jewish people are possessed of some spotless superior virtue, Ha! Israel has clearly demonstrated a pattern of making terrorist attacks which they blame on others in the hope that a misdirected revenge will crush their perceived enemies.

Anyone who thinks such acts are excuseable is an evil social darwinist shithead who really needs to wake up to themselves.

Please, please, keep digging. This is so important. You are on top of something the whole world needs to know and understand, especially us stupid yanks.
Thanks and God Bless.
Chris Hardaker

this is just a copy for fair use (non-commercial etc):

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/18/1090089038600.html?oneclick=true

Mossad agent linked to Asia scam
By Craig Skehan
July 19, 2004

The fugitive Israeli Mossad intelligence agent Zev Barkan has been dealing with Asian criminal gangs to obtain Australian and other passports stolen in Asia, a New Zealand aid worker has said.

Barkan has been named by New Zealand authorities as the kingpin in a passport scam for which two Israelis with Australian links were jailed for six months last week in Auckland.

One of the jailed men, Eli Cara, 50, had his rented home in Turramurra raided by ASIO in March. A short time later, he was arrested in New Zealand.

The New Zealand Government has named Barkan, Cara and the other convicted man, Uriel Kelman, as Mossad agents.

Barkan fled New Zealand before police swooped. There are unconfirmed reports that Barkan, allegedly using a fraudulent Canadian passport, has since made visits to North Korea.

The New Zealand aid worker, who has intelligence connections in Asia, said Barkan was also connected to an Israeli security company operating out of Thailand.
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"He goes to Laos, Cambodia, Burma and Thailand and deals with gangs who rob tourists of their valuables and passports," the aid worker said.

"Barkan is mostly interested in passports and there have been a number of Australian passports."

Intelligence analysts in New Zealand believe Barkan, a former navy diver in the Israeli Defence Force, was trying to secure a "clean" passport for use in a sensitive Israeli undercover operation in the region, less risky than a forged passport.

The Herald has also been told that Barkan had grown up in Washington as Zev Bruckenstein, where his father was director of religious studies at a synagogue.

The Palestinian militant group Hamas has praised New Zealand, saying in a statement it "highly appreciated the daring position of the New Zealand Government against the Zionist entity".

America fought the Communists for over 50 years and who really won?In England, Canada, USA and down under----the commies we fought have taken over our media and government.Take note---all Jews in control are from EAST-BLOCK.Now you know the answer---we lost suckers.In 1954 9 mossad killers staged bombings againist USA to make it appear as Arabs. USS Liberty was bomb by Israel with umarked PTU boats and planes. All colored to ressemble Eygpt. Many dead and injuried.What did USA do----NOTHING!
In our government---most are front men for the zionists---peel the phonie names and religions and you have the Jews in power as in Lenin era.
Try this--is Kerry Jewish?---his grandparents changed their name from KOHN to KERRY and made $$$$$ millions as catholics. So suckers--kiss the commies in power!

The Jews sense of entitlement is way out of hand. Always portraying themselves a perpetual victims. Now that the rest of the world is waking up to the same old Jew ploy, we have staged "anti-semetic" attacks and crys of anti-semite at every critisim of Isreal and the Jews. It's this type of behavior that made jews a target in WW2 and it's the kind of thinking that's making the world call Bullfeces now. Thye always want the U.N to vote in thier favor but as soon as something doesn't go their way, the U.n. is told to mind it's own business.

Next time somebody comes after the Jews, don't think they'll make the mistake of screwing it up this time.

"The Liberty attack was not a deliberate Israeli " you zionazi scum are full of shit read what the sailors INCLUDING THE CAPTAIN on the liberty say THE zionazi back stabbing bastards http://www.ussliberty.org

zionazi scum are fucking retarded if you think people are not aware of your historic treachery thats way you bastard have gotten the boot from every place the vermin have infested. WHY? BECAUSE THESE VIRUS LIKE PLAGUE HAS TRIED TO RP OFF EVERY ONE THE HAVE COME IN CONTACT WITH LIKE A PARASITE
And it about ready to happen again and you only have your thieving back-stabbing money grubbing hook-nosed usury ways to blame I hope all of you rodents get wiped out this time.

Don't you know some jews were behind the Holocaust?

You can see in the Eichmann trial for yourself - documentary footage almost uncut shows survivors and eye witness's screaming at some of the ' Judenrats' also there to give evidence.

" YOU SENT US TO THE OVENS...YOU DID THAT!'

There's one readily demonstrable fact about this article. It's partly plagiarism, partly fabrication and makes specific accusations of murder without a scrap of evidence in support.

Anybody want to take a moment off from the customary shit-flinging, paranoid let's-play-detectives "I know who you really are" nonsense and general parading of vulgar hatefreakery to consider why such an amateurishly concocted bit of phony agitprop is deemed suitable to remain on the newswire?

Exploiting the Palestinian cause again, Leon?

//It's kewl because Brooklyn Born fundamentalist killers are entitled to a state-sanctioned and deity "covenented" "birthright" to "return" to where they've never been in the first place!

Unfortunately, Jews can't move to Mecca because Muslims - some of whom have never been there in their lives (gwarsh!) - want the infidels to stay clear. I guess you have nothing against fundamentalists who strap bombs to themselves to kill JOOZ. The more JOOZ dead the better, eh? The funny thing about the Goldstein incident is that similar attacks made by Palestinian terrorists are so numerous they are not even considered newsworthy. But again, if one JOO does it, the rest of the filthy buggers are to blaim..

//But Palestinians have no right to return to their birthplace.

The funny thing is that most Palestinians in the world today haven't lived a day of their lives in what became Israel.

//http://www.whatreallyhappened.com

Another good source of info is a nice little book called the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Perhaps you've already read it.

//It's kewl because Brooklyn Born fundamentalist killers are entitled to a state-sanctioned and deity "covenented" "birthright" to "return" to where they've never been in the first place!

Unfortunately, Jews can't move to Mecca because Muslims - some of whom have never been there in their lives (gwarsh!) - want the infidels to stay clear. I guess you have nothing against fundamentalists who strap bombs to themselves to kill JOOZ. The more JOOZ dead the better, eh? The funny thing about the Goldstein incident is that similar attacks made by Palestinian terrorists are so numerous they are not even considered newsworthy. But again, if one JOO does it, the rest of the filthy buggers are to blaim..

//But Palestinians have no right to return to their birthplace.

The funny thing is that most Palestinians in the world today haven't lived a day of their lives in what became Israel.

//http://www.whatreallyhappened.com

Another good source of info is a nice little book called the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Perhaps you've already read it

"The funny thing is that most Palestinians in the world today haven't lived a day of their lives in what became Israel. "

And the funny thing about most of the Jooz in Israel is that they haven't got a semitic gene in them.

How is this so?

//And the funny thing about most of the Jooz in Israel is that they haven't got a semitic gene in them.

Another adherant to the khazar myth. Care to cite some evidence?

Another adherent to the Israel myth, care to cite some evidence?

Maybe not? Why is that?

http://www.khazaria.com/khazar-biblio/toc.html

After 1800 years Jooz have a right of return , even if their ancestors never lived there, but all Palestinian rights are extinguished in less than fifty years?

It's not even a right of return is it? It's a right to steal land you never owned anyway and subject the rightful owners to a genocidal campaign.

Da books boss, da books!

//Another adherent to the Israel myth, care to cite some evidence?

Sure, here we go:

Jews certainly are a distinct ethnic grouping, with their distinctive genetic range and pattern of variation. More important, however, then genetic distinction is the unique spiritual and cultural attitudes of the Jewish people.
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There is now new and exciting DNA evidence for common Jewish origin -- not just among Cohanim, the Priestly Class, but among Jews scattered all over the globe.

Recently published research in the field of molecular genetics -- the
study of DNA sequences -- indicates that Jewish populations of the various Diaspora communities have retained their genetic identity throughout the exile. Despite large geographic distances between the communities and the passage of thousands of years, far removed Jewish communities share a similar genetic profile. This research confirms the common ancestry and common geographical origin of world Jewry.

Jewish men from communities which developed in the Near East -- Iran, Iraq, Kurdistan, Yemen -- and European Jews have very similar, almost identical genetic profiles.

"Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."
(M.F. Hammer, Proc. Nat'l Academy of Science, May 9, 2000)

The basis of this new field of population research is the study of the Y-chromosome, which is passed virtually unchanged from father to son. The rare mutations -- which are changes in the non-coding portion of its DNA -- can serve as markers, which can distinguish peoples. By studying the genetic signatures of various groups, comparisons can be made to determine the genetic relationships between the groups.

Y-chromosome research of the Jewish people began as an outgrowth of the study of Cohanim -- the Jewish priestly family. These studies showed a very high genetic affinity among present- day Cohanim, indicating that they do have a common paternal ancestor, estimated to have lived some 3,000 years ago. (See The Cohanim/DNA Connection)

MOST RECENT RESEARCH

The most recent genetic research consists of obtaining DNA samples, and doing laboratory analysis and comparison of the DNA markers on the Y- chromosome -- which is passed from father to son, and on the mtDNA (mitrocondrial DNA) -- which is passed intact from mother to son and daughter. This genetic anthropology promises to be particularly informative for tracking the history of Jewish populations, and helping to resolve the debate on the origins and migrations of Jewish communities in the Diaspora.

The researchers proposed to answer the question whether the scattered groups of modern Jews can be identified as the descendants of the ancient Hebrews of the Bible, or whether their common ancestry has been diluted through influx of converts and through intermarriage so that little remains of their "Jewish genes."

The complex recorded history of dispersal from the Land of Israel and subsequent residence in and movements between various countries in Europe, North Africa and the Middle East is expected to produce a complex pattern of genetic relationships among Jewish populations as well as between them and the non-Jewish peoples among whom they lived.

The research was based on samples from 29 populations, 7 Jewish, categorized into five major divisions: Jews, Middle- Eastern non-Jews, Europeans, North Africans, and sub-Saharan Africans.

The findings were that most Jewish communities do indeed seem to be genetically similar.

The findings were that most Jewish communities -- long separated from one another in Europe, North Africa, the Near East and the Arabian Peninsula -- do indeed seem to be genetically similar and closely related to one another, sharing a common geographical origin.

These Jewish communities are more closely related to each other and to other Middle Eastern Semitic populations -- Palestinians, Syrians, and Druze -- than to their neighboring non-Jewish populations in the Diaspora.

The results also indicate a low level of admixture (intermarriage, conversion, rape, etc.) into the gene pool of these various Jewish communities.

Among the Jewish communities sampled, North Africans (Moroccans, etc.) were most closely related to Babylonian (Iraqi) Jews. These populations may best represent the paternal gene pool of the ancient Jewish/Hebrew population dating back to the First Temple period, before the Babylonian exile (approx. 2,500 years ago).

The Y-chromosome signatures of the Yemenite Jews are also similar to those of other Jewish and Semitic populations. In contrast, the paternal gene pool of Ethiopian Jews more closely resembles that of non-Jewish Ethiopian men.

ASHKENAZI LINKS

Although the Ashkenazi (European) Jewish community separated from their Mediterranean ancestors some 1,200 years ago and lived among Central and Eastern European gentiles, their paternal gene pool still resembles that of other Jewish and Semitic groups originating in the Middle East.

A low rate of intermarriage between Diaspora Jews and local gentiles was the key reason for this continuity. Since the Jews first settled in Europe more than 50 generations ago, the intermarriage rate was estimated to be only about 0.5% in each generation.

The findings oppose the suggestion that Ashkenazim are descended from the Kuzars.

The Ashkenazi paternal gene pool does not appear to be similar to that of present-day Turkish speakers. This finding opposes the suggestion that Ashkenazim are descended from the Kuzars, a Turkish-Asian empire that converted to Judaism en masse in or about the 8th century CE.

The researchers are continuing and expanding their studies particularly of the Ashkenazi community. They are hoping that by examining the DNA markers in Jewish populations from different parts of Europe, they will be able to infer the major historical and demographic patterns in Ashkenazi populations.

MIGRATION CLUES

In addition to questions of medical interest, there are many interesting possibilities concerning the origin of Ashkenazi populations and how they migrated in Europe. It seems likely that Jews began to arrive in Europe perhaps 1,000 to 1,200 years ago, when settlement was already sufficiently developed to provide them with opportunities to make a living.

One theory claims that the Jews of Eastern Europe derive predominantly from Jewish migrants from the Rhineland or from Italy, being fairly direct descendants of the original ancient Jewish/ Hebrew populations.

A second theory suggests a northerly migration from the Balkans or from Central Asia, with the possibility of large-scale conversions of Slavs and/or Kuzars to Judaism.

This argument parallels the controversy over the origin and development of Yiddish -- the language of Eastern European Jews. One theory proposes that Jews, migrating from the Rhineland and neighboring regions spoke an old form of German which provided the basis of Yiddish.

Other scholars reject the German origin of Yiddish. These linguists see Yiddish grammar as fundamentally Slavonic, with modern Yiddish developed by incorporating large numbers of German and Hebrew words into the context of a basically Slavic grammar and syntax.

There has not been enough historical evidence to decide between such theories. Now, with the newly developed genetic methods, it is possible to test these ideas, for example to see if there was a significant Slavic contribution to modern Ashkenazic Jewry.

CONTINUING RESEARCH

The researchers plan to continue their research by investigating genetic variation in populations that can trace their Jewish ancestry to localized communities of Europe, in order to better understand the history and development of Ashkenazic Jewry.

The genetic research findings support Jewish tradition -- both written and oral.

These genetic research findings support Jewish tradition -- both written and oral.

After over 1,000 years of history in the Land of Israel, Jews dispersed to many and distant locations throughout the world. Some Jewish exile communities were relatively stable for two millennia -- such as in Babylonia (Iraq) and Persia (Iran). Others developed centuries later, following successive migrations to North Africa and Europe.

All of these communities maintained their Jewish customs and religious observance despite prolonged periods of persecution. Jews remained generally culturally isolated from their host communities. These genetic studies are a testimony to Jewish family faithfulness.

Only the Jewish people in the history of mankind has retained its genetic identity for over 100 generations, while being spread throughout the world -- truly unique and inspiring.

Perhaps, even more unique and inspiring, is that this most unlikely scenario was a prophecy and a promise.

And God shall scatter you among all the peoples from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth... (Deuteronomy 28:64)

And God shall return your captivity and be merciful to you, and will return and gather you from all the nations whither God has scattered you. (Deuteronomy 30:3)

As the natural laws are set before Me, so shall the seed of Israel never cease from being a nation before Me, forever. (Jeremiah 31:36)

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- Rabbi Yaakov HaKohen Kleiman is a lecturer at Aish HaTorah,

Jerusalem, specializing in Temple studies. He is co-director with Rabbi Nachman Kahana, of the Center For Kohanim.

//After 1800 years Jooz have a right of return , even if their ancestors never lived there, but all Palestinian rights are extinguished in less than fifty years?

Can you name another Jewish country in any other part of the world? How about another Arab nation? You know what UNRWA's criteria for a Palestinian refugee is? Someone who has lived for at least 2 YEARS in what is now Israel. Why is that?
Maybe if the Palestinians and their Arab brothers hadn't tried to destroy the State of Israel at its birth, they might still be living in a state called Palestine as per the 1947 Partition Plan.

//It's a right to steal land you never owned anyway and subject the rightful owners to a genocidal campaign.

A genocidal campaign huh? I don't see the crematoria or cattle cars anywhere. The Palestinian population has only been growing since 1967. Uncle Hitler would have been most unimpressed with his zionazis.

To avoid sounding like a hypocrite, you can go back to whatever European dungheap you spawned from and give your house to an Aboriginal family. By your logic, the land belongs to them and them only.

"Recently published research in the field of molecular genetics -- the
study of DNA sequences -- indicates that Jewish populations of the various Diaspora communities have retained their genetic identity throughout the exile."

No suprise there, the children of Abraham are encouraged to in-breed aren't they?

"Since the Jews first settled in Europe more than 50 generations ago, the intermarriage rate was estimated to be only about 0.5% in each generation."

"These genetic studies are a testimony to Jewish family faithfulness."

There's a law against that kind of thing! Even in Tasmania.

At your source they say "Aish HaTorah's vast network of programs is the vision of American-born Rabbi Noah Weinberg, who founded Aish HaTorah in 1974 to combat alarming assimilation rates."

Your source quotes "Recently published research in the field of molecular genetics " but does not cite who did the research or who funded it. Given the agenda of Aish.com we can safely leave a XXL question mark over the uncited research at this point in time.

Now, back to the Khazars, from your source...

"...Kuzars, a Turkish-Asian empire that converted to Judaism en masse in or about the 8th century CE. "

"with the possibility of large-scale conversions of Slavs and/or Kuzars to Judaism."

So we know, by your own admission, that there were some large scale conversions to Judaism and that these people now have rights in Palestine that over-ride indigenous Palestinians rights. Is that justice?

I've got three words for you. Psychotic, racist, cult.

"you can go back to whatever European dungheap you spawned from"

Hey, do I detect a note of racism there?

After 1800 years Jews have a right of return , even if their ancestors never lived there, but all Palestinian rights are extinguished in less than fifty years?

Let's see now, we all know that the Romans caused Jews to flee 1800 years ago and Aish.com says that Jews lived in Palestine for about a thousand years before that. At a generous pinch that would take us back to 1500 BC.

So what rights do the people (now called Palestinians) who have lived there since at least 4000 BC have?

It seems that depends on who you ask.

Instead of taking excerpts out of context, how about actually reading the article.

And I suppose the Mizrachi Jews who are indigenous to the region and make up most of Israel's population are also descend from Khazars?

//No suprise there, the children of Abraham are encouraged to in-breed aren't they?

Children of Abraham? I thought they were Khazars?

//Hey, do I detect a note of racism there?

oh no!

//After 1800 years Jews have a right of return , even if their ancestors never lived there, but all Palestinian rights are extinguished in less than fifty years?

You've mentioned that already. Why should you live all nice and comfy when you, by association, have stolen Aborignal land?

//So what rights do the people (now called Palestinians) who have lived there since at least 4000 BC have?

And what makes you think that the current Palestinians are descended from these peoples?
Forget it, I don't want to see another list of whatevertakeyourfancy-ite chieftains.

"Instead of taking excerpts out of context, how about actually reading the article"

Unlike you, I actually read things before opening my mouth. The extracts weren't out of context because the context was the article you posted. Remember?

"And I suppose the Mizrachi Jews who are indigenous to the region and make up most of Israel's population are also descend from Khazars? "

Israel population - 6,199,008 (July 2002 est.)

Ethnic groups:
Jewish 80.1% (Europe/America-born 32.1%, Israel-born 20.8%, Africa-born 14.6%, Asia-born 12.6%), non-Jewish 19.9% (mostly Arab) (1996 est.)

Age structure:
0-14 years: 26.7% (male 847,591; female 808,399)

15-64 years: 63.4% (male 1,976,539; female 1,954,782)

65 years and over: 9.9% (male 262,781; female 348,916) (2004 est.)

Median age:
total: 29.2 years
male: 28.3 years
female: 30 years (2004 est.)

Source, C.I.A.

"//No suprise there, the children of Abraham are encouraged to in-breed aren't they?

Children of Abraham? I thought they were Khazars?"

Yeah they were encouraged to in-breed too once they joined the cult. The gene pool probably festered and needed an injection of fresh blood.

"//After 1800 years Jews have a right of return , even if their ancestors never lived there, but all Palestinian rights are extinguished in less than fifty years?

You've mentioned that already. Why should you live all nice and comfy when you, by association, have stolen Aborignal land? "

Yup, that's right, it is stolen land.

"//So what rights do the people (now called Palestinians) who have lived there since at least 4000 BC have?

And what makes you think that the current Palestinians are descended from these peoples?"

What makes you think they aren't? Got any evidence?

It is very clear that the rulers of the New World Order, i.e. the owners of the central and major banks and controllers of money have fanaticized the Luciferians who pretend to be Jews and agitated into the creation of Zionist terror. Just read the books by ex-Mossad agents, by Harold Wallace Rosenthal, etc. This post is absolutely correct. The Pharisees are fooling the ordinary Jews and shutting down the voices of Jews Against Zionism.

"Mossad is the root of all Terrorism"

Good Jews, Bad Jews...useful idiots will claim that no matter what the concern...it's THE JEWS...It's the Fake jews controlling the Good Jews...hey...Fake Jews!!! Doesn't that mean they're not Jews at all!!!?
But to anti-semites...all evil stems from Judaism...Therefore...good Jews are actually bad Jews because they do the bidding of evil fake Jews who are really Jews pretending to be Luciferians or something like that...

It's kewl because Brooklyn Born fundamentalist killers are entitled to a state-sanctioned and deity "covenented" "birthright" to "return" to where they've never been in the first place!

“I would have expected a little bit more, I would call it, errr, ‘self-censorship’ on the part of the Israeli media, the same as was deploy…displayed during various phases of the operation Afghanistan by the American media – that’s all I want”.

Holocaust sucks , don't it? Jews frequently booby trap doors...peacefully of course...breaking through walls is a good thing...

Holocaust sucks , don't it?Jews frequently booby trap doors...peacefully of course...breaking through walls is a good thing...

Fortunately, those who continuously portray Middle Easterners as either victims or monsters are losing traction.
Fortunately, there are people of integrity in the region working on solutions, regardless of what the dis-eased minds of various species of Western xenophobes might think.........

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