WHO IS GEN. MARK KIMMITT: PR Man for Iraq War; Dad Is DC Lobbyist for Defense Industry Cur : Melbourne Indymedia

WHO IS GEN. MARK KIMMITT: PR Man for Iraq War; Dad Is DC Lobbyist for Defense Industry Current

Brig. Gen. Mark T. Kimmitt, US Army, is the spokesman for the US military in Iraq. He is also the deputy operations commander. He currently is the main apologist for US misdeeds in Falluja and southern Iraq.

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In this article we put a face on the faceless voice of the invaders, the Mouth of the Euphrates.

As part of his PR efforts, he frequently employs email. His email address is kimmitt.m (at) skynet.be <mailto:kimmitt.m (at) skynet.be>. He used the private Belgian ISP during his service at NATO's SHAPE headquarters in Belgium

Kimmitt's father, Joseph Stanley (Stan) Kimmitt, a former Col. in Army (an artilleryman like Mark), has parlayed his military service into a Washington, DC, public relations, or lobbyist, firm -- Kimmitt, Senter, Coates, & Weinferter. As Gen. Kimmitt promotes the war in Iraq, his father represents defense contractors such as Textron Defense Systems, Talley Defense Systems, and Boeing (maker of the Army's Apache attack helicopter).

The Kimmitts are a classic example of the revolving-door syndrome of U.S. military officers and defense contractors. Such double-dipping is commonplace. It is one of the things President Eisenhower meant when he referred to the dangers of the "military-industrial complex." It is a self-replicating monster that feeds on war, death, and destruction

Ironically, S. Joseph Kimmitt was the secretary and close friend of Sen. Mike Mansfield of Montana, after Kimmitt's military service. Sen. Mansfield came to see the Vietnam war as unnecessary and would doubtless be opposed to the Iraq war if he were still alive.

Gen. Kimmitt's brother, Joseph "Jay" Kimmitt, is a Washington, DC, lobbyist employed by Wisconsin-based Oshkosh Truck Corp. the No. 1 maker of concrete mixers, trash haulers and military trucks. Now it wants a bigger slice of the homeland-security pie, too. And Jay Kimmitt hired a Washington-based PR firm (not his father's) to get it. Another example of the revolving door, Jay Kimmitt served 27 years in the Army he is now selling to.

Gung-Ho Kimmitt

Besides the benign smiling face shown at the top, Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt has another side, too. In the bottom photo, he is shown in full military regalia and visage.

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Just four days after four US mercenaries' burned and dismembered bodies were strung up on a bridge, American military might was poised to bring Fallujah’s brief spell as a no-go area to an end. Up to 4,000 locally-based US Marines, whose original mission was to woo locals with a $500m humanitarian aid budget, were preparing to roll in with full battle armour on. Even Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt, the normally impassive Coalition spokesman in Baghdad, seemed to be relishing the prospect. Declaring Fallujah "the town that just doesn’t get it", he vowed to "hunt down the people responsible for this bestial act". He added: "It will be at a time and a place of our choosing. It will be methodical, it will be precise and it will be overwhelming."

We are all aware by now of what he was promising. Falluja has gotten "it." Over 700 of its citizens are no longer living, breathing human beings. Thousands more have been mutilated. An overwhelming proportion of them had nothing to do with killing the mercenaries.

Of course, to realize the full promise of Kimmitt's words, his boss, Gen. Abizaid, has asked the Defense Department for more troops, as the resistance inflamed by the reprisal has proved more formidable than expected.

These people are worse than those who betray a political entity. They spend most of a lifetime being warriors and the rest of a lifetime selling WMD and more personal homicidal tools to their successors.
The military-industrial complex has fundamentally changed our country. Things will not get better until the military-industrial complex is dismantled. Carried to its logical conclusion, such a complex leads to a fascist state like the Third Reich, capable of exterminating whole towns like Lidice, Czechoslovakia, in reprisal.

Family trees are wonderful, aren't they?

I mean, who would have guessed the relations relations of Moqtada Sadr?

Newsflash : the killdroid "Kimmitt" collapsed during a press conference today. Apparently his batteries went flat. Either that or his hardware/software suffered "technical difficulties".

the troll of a thousand names, chris.p/spinifex/edfusco etc, appears to have discovered a new name D.Thomas. Is it chris's attempt to go straight, using an ordinary name for his very ordinary attempts at distraction, distortion, slander and stupidity? Why change yr non de plume when you're still using the same boring techniques that make you so easy to recognise?

actually, another, that post was not by me - and the information about Sadr is already widely known.

Still, your comment is yet further evidence of the underlying paranoia of the psuedo-intellectual left and it's new found islamicist buddies.

So, who is 'another'?

I think he was the dickhead that used to recycle official Ba'athist Ministry of Information media releases ("the Americans are NOT in Bagdhad") and the "Russian Intelligence Brifings" ("the Americans have been destroyed in Um Qasr) as news.

Am I not right?

What Duracell Bunny said is true, the killdroid Kimmitt did briefly lose consciousness. See:
http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:zglBmqNvmYMJ:news.scotsman.com/index.cfm%3Fid%3D436582004+kimmitt+collapse&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

You can help raise his consciousness level, if not his conscience (he hasn't any), by reposting the main article WHO IS MARK KIMMITT
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2004/04/67286.php

to which all of these comments relate.

Repost to as many Indymedia sites as possible:
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2004/04/67286.php

Spread the word. The American military-industrial complex is the real enemy of the world, including honest Americans.

Thousands of women, children, and unarmed men have fallen at the hands of the U.S. invaders of Iraq.

The URL and photo describe the falling of Gen. Kimmitt.

Keep up the pressure. Post WHO IS GEN. KIMMITT to as many IMC locations as possible.

Killing women and children, which he is doing, is supposed to be stressful.

Gee, Toto, you must have been in Kansas while Sadam was gleefully killing 100,000s of innocent men, women and children in Iraq and neighbouring countries.

Because I bet you have never uttered a word of complaint - and probably did utterly nothing to stop it.

In fact, I bet you played your bongos for peace and drank capucinos against the war while trying to prevent the overthrow of the regime, hey?

the very astute "another" - quote:
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the troll of a thousand names, chris.p/spinifex/edfusco etc, appears to have discovered a new name D.Thomas. Is it chris's attempt to go straight [it's a "charm" offfensive], using an ordinary name for his very ordinary attempts at distraction, distortion, slander and stupidity? Why change yr non de plume when you're still using the same boring techniques that make you so easy to recognise? [zactly!]
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Who is another
by spinifex Monday April 19, 2004 at 12:03 PM

actually, another, that post was not by me...
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'spiniFX isn't ChrisParsons. I know this'
--"Loonar Watch"
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2004/03/64015_comment.php#66450
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Dear Mr. Al Swalley, You could only hope to be 1/4 the man of Brig. Gen. Kimmitt. But I don't think you’re a man. I wonder what rock you crawled under? I wonder what species of reptile your are? Maybe you’re a Geckos, Skinks, Dragons, Goannas, or Monitors? So many Australian Lizards it's hard to guess which one you are. But you are obviously something that is cold, slimy, and crawls on the ground.

Rebecca, I think you'll find the reptilian part of the brain is the part that persuaded GWB to invade Iraq. It's probably the higher functioning part of his brain after all that coke and hard liquor.

U.S. general in Baghdad nearly faints during press conference

By Associated Press, 4/17/2004

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) The top U.S. military spokesman in Iraq appeared to briefly lose consciousness during a news conference Saturday, bumping his face into a podium microphone.

He left the room for a period but returned smiling and answered more questions.

There was no immediate explanation for the apparent fainting spell suffered by Army Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, the deputy head of operations in Iraq, who delivers daily briefings to Baghdad-based journalists alongside the top U.S. coalition spokesman Dan Senor. Kimmitt had left the podium for a few minutes earlier in the press conference, which was broadcast live internationally. He returned, looking pale, to take more questions. Just after answering a question, Kimmitt leaned toward Senor and whispered, ''I gotta go.''
Senor nodded and said, ''OK,'' and then told reporters the next question would be the last.
As he listened to the question, Kimmitt's eyes rolled upward and he began leaning forward into the podium. The podium's small black microphone struck him on the right side of the mouth. After a few seconds leaning against the microphone, he slumped backward but remained standing. Senor stepped toward him and said, ''You all right?'' ''No, I'm not,'' Kimmitt mumbled. Two aides approached the podium and led him out a side door.
Senor continued answering questions. About 15 minutes later, Kimmitt returned again and resumed answering questions. When one reporter prefaced a question by saying, ''I hope you're feeling better,'' Kimmitt smiled but offered no explanation.

He has access to top secret maps, battle plans, secret codes and codebooks and car keys.

I first encountered the General when he made that famous speech. "It will be at a time and a place of our choosing. It will be methodical, it will be precise and it will be overwhelming." and by the way so there …

For his first appearance after the killing of contractors in Falluja, their bodies dragged in the streets and set ablaze, finally hung in charred parts from a bridge, General Kimmitt was not out to win our hearts and minds for the coming offensive on the city of Falluja, he was there to channel national outrage and deliver a message of sound, plain brutal honesty. As such, his Ramboesque delivery was understandable, his unyielding manner correct for the matter at hand. His clenched Machismo struck me immediately. I was surprised that White House/ Pentagon communications standards had gotten so crude, knowing how they like tidy scenes. This wasn’t strong defiance, this angry man; this was no Leader of Men standing to say that in accordance with the laws of the democratic United States of America the perpetrators of the butchery in Falluja would be pursued , apprehended and brought to Justice , this was the leader to a week of extreme application of prejudice against a population, amongst whom aggressors walked and lived

The desecration of bodies certainly surprised me, but it also fell into a place that did expect something like it, some parallel atrocity was a long time coming, and perhaps my subconscious mind waited for the missing Psyche Warfare element of the conflict. The words Vietnam were already attached to the war, and so I suspect I was awaiting the tribal/ desert equivalent of the Pungi Pit, the flying spiked bamboo ball or other treacherous traps of the Vietcong. The desecration of the workers fit well into this department of my mind, and my reaction was more surprise that the Iraqis had gotten so severe so quickly, less than a year into the Aftermath. So I was struck by the degree of rage on display in Falluja, but not surprised it had come. It betrayed a sense of passion I had yet to acknowledge had grown in the people of the conquered Iraq.

That sense was immediately conquered by the instant realization that the US Army and it’s masters in Washington had till now done everything to show their miscalculation in events requiring delicacy, had over reacted when soft steps were called for and stood idly by while museums and offices were looted, and that the response to the Falluja desecrations would provide them yet another slate to draw their cultural ignorance in bold type.

And then I saw the General, heard him speak and gasped “oh, no …” and I knew they were about to outdo their past. The set of the jaw, the cold, nervous dart of those lifeless eyes. I knew this was exactly the wrong face to put on this issue. The arrival of Gen Kimmitt signaled the end of reason and the application of hammer to anvil violence .General Kimmitt believes it is expedient to level a whole building to apprehend a pair of thieves. He likes to kill.
It occurred to me that this man , to use that term loosely, resembling nothing so much as he did a Serb commander , putting a defiant case to the world to justify an orgy of righteous fury. Even the TV I was watching lent the moment a nostalgic chill, his uniform unusually pale, his silver hair coarse and hastily arranged, his eyes windows into an abyss, this face and manner and method brought back other decisive men in uniform, other Dogs of War telling of a determined cleansing, the will of the people of the region, and the coming freedom and safety for the people back home. How Chechnya…how Srebrenica…how Phnom Penh…

There was something else familiar about Brig. General Mark Kimmitt. I could not quite put my finger to it. Not until I saw the man himself pitch forwards into his microphone, gazing emptily into the space in front of him, his primary cognitive process on pause. He offered the symptoms of a wide range of ailments, from heat stroke to vascular episode, resting his right cheek hard against the small black foam cover of his mike .He hung a few long seconds as the room caught on that he was indeed zoning – fainting, stoned or suffering a stroke, he remained upright until an aide touched his shoulder, and some measure of focus returned to his gaze. He came back to the room mentally in rote nodding, not yet lucid, and staggering stage left as steadily as he was able. It appeared to require a supreme effort to maintain military stride until out of range of cameras. I had seen something as his eyes lost whatever tiny spark they ever hold, something again familiar .His eyes flickered and went out, and he fell slowly forward. His eyes. I had it. The Terminator.

Brigadier General Mark Kimmit so resembles the actual spirit of Arnold Schwarzenegger’s futuristic mechanistic hunting device as to be comical. That he revealed to the wrong guy (me) his real identity his error, and I am here to set the record. Mark Kimmitt is a Cyberdyne Systems T-101 model Terminator. (I may be wrong about the model, but if we were to unscrew his right ear, it’s there) His job is to passionlessly, inexorably seek out and annihilate enemies of his masters and he will never stop. For fans of the films, my comparison will give you a deep understanding that what I say is true, those who aren’t familiar with the 3 features made to date, please rent the DVD or run an internet search; I won’t go into a synopsis, and I think most of you living with electric power know what I refer to.

We know the Terminators were spawned from deep within the nearly automated Military industrial Complex; the General’s family’s weapons dealing and weapons manufacturing lobbying certainly qualify him as a product of the finest secret software and combat chassis design we know nothing about, emerging in human skin with a complete dossier of academic and military accomplishment, securing his cover among human beings. The modern US armed forces are so large and unwieldy he easily blends, arriving from some obscure artic research station or early warning outpost carrying a No Questions Asked bright yellow file folder and an Assignment to report to the very highest levels of Command. Instantly he is a high ranking Officer with a shadowy, unquestionable past and above average sense of heat vision. We know that Terminators are equipped with 120 year power cells, so he may travel the world without hauling along battery packs. And no embarrassing wall plugs either.

When a terminator is given an assignment, it might be spoken directly into him in a mode of conversation-like upload or through direct disk access. In this context, it is known as the Morning Meeting. L. Paul Bremmer speaks a series of odd sounding clicks and numerals and Kimmitt is ready to upload .His current program is Kill Them All, a task Terminators carry out emotionlessly, without mercy and utterly and completely. Terminators have been known to kill over two dozen police officers and destroy the police station in a quest for two human targets, and the mission is the same save the actual location in this instance .

Listen, and understand! That Terminator is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.”

Terminator 1 1984

General Kimmitt revealed his identity by accident and it certainly offered a unique window into the state of disrepair the US army is in Iraq, but rumors suggest the General’s maintenance crew was stopped in Zimbabwe in mid March and mistaken for a group of Western and African mercenaries out to topple the government of Equatorial Guinea, and his processor is a little on the full side. Others said the press room was very hot and the General had not been sufficiently hydrated. Oiled is more like it.
The General in this case is an example of cutbacks in ethical programming and a disaster in human relations encoding. He consistently embarrasses his audience and his nation in speaking to Arab journalists, behaving like a caffeinated Fox Commentator. Again, trim spending on cumbersome “local custom’ and “theatre religious believe systems and symbolism ‘protocols and concentrate on map co-ordinates, ordinance delivery, mission completion.

Terminators are used in the film to hunt down human beings, and can be tasked to formulate complex plans, and they can learn from their experience. They store vast databases and detailed files on human anatomy, making them more efficient killers. They are able to fashion weapons from anything heavy, and can fire multiple weapons at a time while driving a car at high speeds. They might also then be taught to Command Legions of Loyal Men of Arms. General Ruin 6.0, I think

Could it be that a beast so cold, so singular in his lack of compassion, his structural perversity matched only by his hostility, imbued of every possible machine of destruction, the armory entire at his whim, might be in command of the most fearsome military ever conceived?
Is it possible the model we got stuck with is defective?
No, Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt is fulfilling his program…uh, mission perfectly, and a thousand innocents will pay for his overheated hardrive. Perhaps it would be prudent to put this unit up on the hoist and tighten the rods and check the valves, and not put it back in charge until it gets recertified. Remember, it knows no compassion and it can’t be reasoned with .It kills, that’s all it does.

Pray they never program him for your neighborhood.

AsH.

Tell the lying, murdering MF what you think of him and his war-profiteering old man.

The email address in the article is still valid. The SOB used it in Belgium when he was at NATO.

He almost fainted the other day, probably from the irate messages you all sent in.

It is: kimmitt.m@skynet.be .

This is not time for the fainthearted. Let's make him faint again.

Rebecca, write him a nice note, and he might reply!

You are all fucking retarded. how do you go off on someone for doing their job? I hate the war as much as the rest of you. but to attack someone who is the spokesman for soldiers because the president has some fucked up policy, is fucked up.

The points about becoming defense contractors is absolutely the most retarded aspect of your argument. So what, a lot of the family is in the military and they get job offers from defense contractors. do you think they would sell out their integrity to push for a contract they didn't believe the U.S. needed?

oh wait you have luxury of dicking around the internet all day and making assumptions about people you don't even know. What kind of image would you give off if people only knew you from work?

You want to protest the war and get all uppity about the shit that's going on. go after bush. kimmitt is not the bad guy.

you are the idiot fucks that pollute the image and potential of progressive democrats

Wow! Found this searching for a bio of Gen. Kimmitt. I'm a reasonably well-educated professional, now back in the U.S. Last year I found myself in IZ with the 4th ID as support. I can assure you most Iraqis are very happy we're there, especially my Assyrian Jew interpreters who had the balls to return to their home country.

FWIW, I and other Americans genuinely appreciate the support/solidarity Aussies have shown now and in the past. Your troopers are some definite badasses who could serve with the best here. You epitomize the spirit of the Southeastern and Western U.S.: resilient, "no bullshit", trustworthy, and patriotic. We're like you, a country that's a 50/50 split between....

really funny - I can't tell if you are trying to funny though.

Mark would get a kick out of it if he ever read some of these things.

Do you think we should have invaded only with the support of countries like Germany or France?

If that is the case, I guess we shouldn't have invaded Normandy 60 years ago.

Your friendly neighborhood war-monger

The hatred on this site is appalling.

Al Swalley, you're a bit of a coward. Mark Kimmitt is doing his job - in public (!), and in 'good' days and 'bad', while you are probably sitting in a cosy armchair at your computer, messing about with an email address similar to the one which you pretend to be Mark Kimmitt's. What do you think you gain from this? This really seems screwed and cowardly to me.

It's easy to sit in your home and spam the web with your thoughts about Mark Kimmitt's 'wrongdoings'. Just keep in mind that any such kind of criticism and any call for anti-government protest would have been outrightly impossible in Iraq before the fall of Saddam and still is impossible in (too) many parts of the world.

What a fucking bunch of anti-american crap.

If input=Iraq;
fnfprint('What a bunch of un-american crap');
end

This is atrocious, Al. No matter how one may feel about the war in Iraq, a country simply has to have Generals and men to fight for it. It is very difficult for me, as a civilian in the US, to determine whether or not Kimmitt has deliberately attacked groups of innocent people; but I rather doubt it, as I do that the US would allow it. In any case, I think he deserves some sympathy and support for trying to complete what must be a horribly difficult assignment. Like to try it, Al?
Susie

"It is very difficult for me, as a civilian in the US, to determine whether or not Kimmitt has deliberately attacked groups of innocent people;"

Of course the attack on innocent people is deliberate, your president ordered the invasion. "Woops! It slipped!"?

Is "only following orders" a legal defence? Let's see what the Neuremberg trials had to say about that...

To Michelle Shocked,
I wasn't referring to Bushie boy's decision to go to war against Iraq, which I think was an asinine and baseless one---rather, to Kimmitt's specific war plan. We will never really know, for example, whether they bombed that wedding, as the Iraqis say they did. I do think that, although we have no business being there in the first place, the generals are told to try to avoid civilian targets at all costs.

Michelle Shocked,
I was speaking of Kimmitt's specific war plan, not Bush's decision to go to Iraq. The latter was, I agree, an idiotic and baseless one. I said that it was difficult for me to tell whether the troops were purposely massacring innocent civilians. They are killing civilians if bomb happens to kill civilians nearby; but are they doing so purposely? The wedding, for example, that the Iraqis claim we bombed...will we ever know the truth? I do not think we have any business being there in the first place, and realize obviously that civilians are being killed. But I think Kimmitt or any general would get the boot if they were purposely going into civilian enclaves bombs away.

FOLLOW THE PHONY TRAIL

DEDUCTIVE LOGIC REVEALS THE TRUE CULPRITS

LOGICAL CONCLUSION #1

9-11 WAS CARRIED OUT BY EITHER ONE OF TWO GROUPS.

GROUP #1: MUSLIM TERRORISTS seeking to avenge U.S. policies in the middle east..

OR............................

GROUP #2: ZIONIST TERRORISTS seeking to frame their enemies as a pretext for involving the US in a war against Arab/Muslim states.

THERE ARE NO OTHER LOGICAL SUSPECTS OTHER THAN THESE TWO

Which leads us to……

LOGICAL CONCLUSION #2

THE TRUE CULPRITS WISH TO REMAIN UNKNOWN.

We know this because Bin Laden strongly denied any involvement in 9-11 and suggested that the Zionists were behind it. (1) It is widely believed throughout the Arab and Muslim world (and even much of Europe) that Israeli and U.S. elements staged 9-11 as a pretext for a war against the Islamic world.

The Zionists and the U.S. scoff at this idea and insist that Muslim terrorists carried out 9-11.

IN SHORT, GROUP 1 CLAIMS GROUP 2 DID IT, AND GROUP 2 CLAIMS GROUP 1 DID IT.

Which leads us to…….

LOGICAL CONCLUSION #3

TO ESCAPE PUNISHMENT FROM AN OUTRAGED USA, THE TRUE CULPRITS WOULD NEED TO PLANT A FALSE TRAIL OF "EVIDENCE" AWAY FROM THEMSELVES AND TOWARDS THE OTHER GROUP.

Given that both Group 1 or Group 2 would be in serious trouble if it were discovered to be responsible for 9-11, and given the fact that each group blames the other, we would therefore expect the true culprit to attempt to divert the investigation towards the innocent group and away from itself. This trick is as old as crime itself. As surely as night follows day, a phony evidence trail would had to have surfaced following the 9-11 operation.

WHICH LEADS US TO…

LOGICAL CONCLUSION #4

IF WE FIND WHAT APPEARS TO BE A FALSE EVIDENCE TRAIL, WE WILL HAVE FOUND THE TRUE CULPRIT.

By simply reversing the direction to which the phony trail points towards, we can logically deduce who the true culprits were. Whichever group has phony-looking evidence directed towards it must therefore be the innocent group. Find the phony trail and you will find the guilty party.

WHICH LEADS US TO….

LOGICAL CONCLUSION #5

THE ONLY TRAIL THAT APPEARS TO BE OF SUSPICIOUS ORIGIN POINTS TOWARDS MUSLIMS. CONSIDER THESE VERY STRANGE PIECES OF "EVIDENCE" THAT SURFACED IN THE DAYS FOLLOWING 9-11.

1. A few weeks before 9-11, Israeli Mossad officials flew to the U.S. and met with leaders of the FBI and CIA. The Mossad claimed that a major terrorist attack was imminent and that the culprits would be Osama Bin Laden and Iraq’s Saddam Hussein. They gave no other details.(2)

2. After the attacks, there were widely publicized reports that the government had a tape recording of Bin laden calling his mother just a few days before the attacks and telling her: “Something big is about to happen and you won‘t be hearing from me for a while.“ This claim was broadcast repeatedly on every news network and convinced many people that Bin Laden was indeed guilty.

Weeks later, CNN corrected itself and revealed that the story turned out to be baseless. Although the story is now UNIVERSALLY repudiated by even the mainstream media, far fewer people ever heard the repudiation than did the original hyped-up claim. (3)

3. Hours after the attacks, investigators received a report of a suspicious car left behind at Boston’s Logan Airport by a group of belligerent Arabs. Inside the car, investigators find an Arab language flight manual. (4) HOW CONVENIENT!

4. Investigators then find a suitcase supposedly “forgotten” by Mohammed Atta, “ringleader” of the suicide hijackers (why would someone pack a suitcase for a suicide mission?) Inside the suitcase they find a Koran, a fuel consumption calculator, a suicide note, and more Arab flight manuals. (5)
HOW CONVENIENT!

5. At the crashsite in Pennsylvania, investigators find an incriminating letter written by one of the hijackers. (6) The destruction at the crash site was so complete that the largest piece of human remains found was an 8-inch piece of spine. (7) Yet the letter survived the awesome crash and incineration unscathed. HOW CONVENIENT!

6. Days after the attacks, a slightly burned passport belonging to one of the “Saudi hijackers” is miraculously found just a few blocks away from the rubble of the World Trade Center. (8) HOW CONVENIENT!

7. FBI Director Mueller even admitted that identity thefts were used in connection with 9-11. (9) As many as 7 of the 19 “Arab hijackers” are alive and well and some had reported their passports stolen in 1999. (10)

8. Weeks after 9-11, Anthrax letters killed 5 people. The wording of the letters was designed to implicate Muslims. “Death to America. Death to Israel. Allah is great” It has long since been established that the anthrax came from a US army lab and was not mailed by Muslims. (11)

9. The Zionist run Pentagon claimed to have found a “confession video” from Osama Bin Laden. How convenient that the man who was clever enough to pull off 9-11 would suddenly become so careless and leave a self - incriminating video laying around Afghanistan. Independent translations of the barely audible video later exposed the US translation as “manipulative and inaccurate” (12). Other analyses of the video raises even more questions of fraud and doctoring.

10. It is then revealed that investigators also found a business card belonging to one of the hijackers at the Pennsylvania crash site. On the back of this miraculous business card is a telephone number linking one of the hijackers to the “20th hijacker” Zacharias Moussoui. (13) HOW CONVENIENT!

11. Also at the Pennsylvania crash site, another miracle passport belonging to “hijacker pilot” Ziad Jarrah was found. (14) HOW CONVENIENT!

Why were these hijackers carrying passports for internal domestic flights anyway?

12. The Friday before the attacks, three loud mouthed, drunken "hijackers" ( Mohammed Atta and the Al-Shehhi brothers) make a memorable scene at a restaurant in Hollywood, Florida. (keep the name Hollywood, Florida in your mind for a moment) The London Telegraph (and many other sources) tells us:

"Mohammed Atta, 33, who almost certainly was the Florida-trained pilot who rammed American Airlines Flight 11 into the north tower of the World Trade Centre, his cousin Marwan al-Shehhi, 23, and an Arab believed to be a brother of al-Shehhi, appeared to have been in a bibulous celebratory mood last week.

Tony Amos, the manager of Shuckums Oyster Bar and Restaurant in Hollywood (Florida) just north of Miami, was interviewed by the FBI and he and his barman and a waitress all identified Atta and his cousin as some hard drinkers who propped up the bar last Friday.

Atta's bill for three hours of vodka drinking came to $48 (£33). When he drunkenly disputed the charge, Mr Amos intervened. "Of course I can pay the bill," Atta told him. "I'm an airline pilot." (emphasis added) (15)

Devout fundamentalist Muslim "martyrs" drinking vodka for three hours? And notice how "Mohammed Atta" purposely goes out of his way to tell the manager he was "an airline pilot". This is very similar to the way in which he purposely told his flight school instructor he was "leaving for Boston".

13. The night before the attacks, three loud-mouthed “hijackers” (one of them again being the “ringleader” Mohammed Atta) visited a Florida strip club where they again cause a scene and make a deliberate point of telling people about a pending terror attack. They then conveniently “forget” yet another Koran at the bar! CBS News reported on September 14, 2001:

“The three men spewed anti-American sentiments in a bar and talked of impending bloodshed the night before the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, a Daytona Beach strip club manager interviewed by the FBI said Thursday.”

"They were talking about what a bad place America is. They said 'Wait 'til tomorrow. America is going to see bloodshed,"' said John Kap, manager of the Pink Pony and Red Eyed Jack's Sports Bar. Kap said they made the claims to a bartender and a patron. ….“Kap said he told FBI investigators the men in his bar spent $200 to $300 apiece on lap dances and drinks, paying with credit cards. Kap said he gave the FBI credit card receipts, photocopied driver's licenses, a business card left by one man and a copy of the Quran - the sacred book of Islam - that was left at the bar. (16) (emphasis added)

This one takes the grand prize! Devout, fundamentalist Muslim "martyrs" not only getting drunk, but fondling naked dancers just hours before they were scheduled to meet with God! These highly skilled secret operatives then jeopardize their mission by drawing attention to themselves while publicly bashing America and boasting about pending bloodshed, to take place the following day? And what on earth were they doing in Florida instead of Boston the eve of 9-11 anyway? Didn’t they realize that if either of their two early morning connecting flights (first to Maine, and then to Boston) were a bit delayed the next morning, their whole operation would have been at risk? And finally, they oh-so-conveniently forget their business cards and Koran at the bar!

This Mohammed Atta character sure is an absent-minded fellow isn’t he? He “loses” his passport in 1999, he "forgets" how to speak German when his flight school instructor tries to make small talk with him (see Chapter 11 ), he “forgets’ his suitcase before the 9-11 attacks (or perhaps he remembered at the last moment that he wasn’t going to need a suitcase for a suicide mission! ), he “forgets” a Koran in a Florida strip club, and then “forgets” yet another Koran in Boston, and also “forgets” his Arabic language flight manual and “forgets” his fuel consumption calculator! How did this guy ever get to be an electrical engineer?

My dear reader- no disrespect intended- but if you can’t see through these little stunts as the obvious work of a team of “false flag” imposters, then you are either truly stupid or willfully blind. So who, if not Mohammed Atta and his friends, could these drunken, womanizing, Koran-toting, "Muslims" in Florida actually have been? An excellent May 7, 2002 story written by Christopher Ketcham of Salon Magazine provides a clue. Ketcham writes about the Israeli "art student" spy ring that was uncovered in 2001. In an article entitled "The Israeli Art Student Mystery", Ketcham informs us:

"For almost two years, hundreds of young Israelis falsely claiming to be art students haunted federal offices...... No one knows why -- and no one seems to want to find out.

"In HOLLYWOOD, (Florida) several students lived at 4220 Sheridan St., just down the block from the 3389 Sheridan St. apartment where terrorist mastermind Mohammed Atta holed up with three other Sept. 11 plotters. Many of the students, the DEA report noted, had backgrounds in Israeli military intelligence and/or electronics surveillance; one was the son of a two-star Israeli general, and another had served as a bodyguard to the head of the Israeli army. (emphasis added) 17

Need I connect these dots for you too, or are you now seeing the picture? How appropriate that these Israeli actors should stage their stunts in a town called "Hollywood"!

These are just a few of the highly suspect pieces of ‘evidence” that have turned up in the wake of 9-11. ON THE OTHER HAND, Nothing resembling such a phony, transparent, and ridiculous trail has been found to point towards Israelis and Zionists. No jewish skullcaps left behind at the airport, no jewish Torahs found in “forgotten” suitcases, no six-pointed Stars of David found at crash sites, no mysterious videos of rabbis taking credit for 9-11, no Israeli passports turning up at the WTC or other crash sites, etc.

BUT THERE DOES EXIST AN ENORMOUS BODY OF REAL EVIDENCE THAT POINTS TO AN ISRAELI CONNECTION TO 9-11 AND OTHER ACTS OF TERROR AGAINST THE USA.

WHICH LEADS US TO…….

LOGICAL CONCLUSION #6

THE MUSLIMS WERE FRAMED FOR 9-11 BY THE ZIONISTS

Zionists and allies within the U.S. government carried out 9-11 and the anthrax mailings. They then planted a phony evidence trail designed to frame Arabs/Muslims. Is there any other logical explanation?

Anti-Semitism you say? Then perhaps you prefer to hear it from a jewish scholar instead. In an article entitled: The Zionist Roots of the War on Terror, Dr. Henry Makow, (inventor of the board game Scruples) writes:

“Until recently I accepted Israel's self-image as a beleaguered, peace-loving nation in a sea of blood thirsty Arabs. The idea that this tiny state had imperialist designs seemed ludicrous. But what if, unknown to most people, including Israelis, the world's power elite were using Israel to advance their plan for New World Order?……. Israel's image of vulnerability is a ruse. Israel has always planned to become the dominant power in the region, and "invented dangers" in order to dupe its citizens and provoke wars. ……The Mossad’s fingerprints are all over 9-11.(emphasis added) (18)

According to Abe Foxman’s and the ADL’s dubious logic, Makow must therefore be a “self-hating” jew.

Which leads straight to the asylem...
"You can only twist the cable of paranoia so many times before something snaps, and it's not always the cable."

Ditch the formal logic and look at history instead...
The Nation of Islam and the KKK liased and worked together because they both shared the same interests.

They both wanted to spread hate and division because it increased their own power over the masses.

The authorities unofficially tolerated them while they assasinate Malcolm X and MLK because the ruling class and state stay in power through divide and conquer.

The simplest solution is usually the best.

Killing for oil that is what the war about where is freedom and democracy they talking about Iraq is whair than Saddam days

poor wman and children god bless thire sole and give them aplace in heaven

I know General Kimmitt personally. He is an hnorable, compassionate man, who cares deeply for the people of Iraq. Shame on you for your slanders and lies about him and his family. People live free because people such as General Kimmitt and his family have chosen a life of service to their nation and to liberty.

Iam sorry to tell you that Brig. Gen Mark Kimmitt was KIA just about two months ago in an ambush on the road to Baghdad airport .
The info is still classified but I don't care , I lost both of my legs in a IED

So the American terrorist (Mark KImmit) has been neutralised. You Americans will never have security until all of the occupied Muslim lands are liberated. You are going to taste what we have been tasted. We will kill you wherever you are!!!

USA has murdered too many people all around the world. Korean, Vietnamese, Iraqis, Afghanis, Somalis, Japanese, and many many more to come. When will it be my turn and your turn? USA and Israel has taken the role of Satan to destroy humanity.

I hear this filthy peace of human "ayrabs dont have weddings" excrement is dead. Its about time this one went to rot in hell.

Weddings are safe again!!!

Hear that ayrab's?? You can have weddings again!!!

Open the bubbly!!!

I see your lack of quality educational institutions in Australia is finally coming to bear. No suprise here for a country that was settled by displaced english convicts. You say the USA has murdered thousands.. etc. etc. Maybe you aussies should pick up a history book here and there and learn of the genocide perpetrated by some of these countries you defend so freely as being massacred by US troops. Not to mention the 3,000 we had murdered here by UBL. Next time maybe they should fly their planes into downtown Sydney to open your drunken aussie eyes to the reality of this world we live in. Don't believe everything you drunks hear in the pubs!!

It good theres the end of one top US military leader who knows how many others will follow.... in the meantime the americans are in hell right now in all iraq all iraq will be one great big fallujah the time will come... the time will come.... the time will come...

I doubt Mr Kimmitt is dead.

The "time will come" when radical Islam is relagated to the trash bins of history along with other failed militant movements. Sleep tight Ahmad and keep dreaming. You are on the losing side and you will die on the losing side.

: )

Anybody wondering that non-muslims are being killed? If your answer is YES, you really believed the bush-words "...iraki people will be greating our soldiers with flowers." Sorry for that. You should know by now, from your "democracy-spreading trip" in Somalia, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc., that the others don´t want your art of "democracy". So, what gives you the right to force anything on anyone? It is YOU who are producing and using WMD, CHEM. & BIOL. weapons, and it is YOU who are selling the same "stuff" to the others alike, and it is only YOU in the whole history of the humanity that has "droped" ATOMIC BOMS on the heads of women and children (didn´t mention the men, because they could be classified als "possible combatants"), and it is YOU who have the world greatest criminal rate, .......

So what makes YOU think that the world would want something from YOU?!? Don´t you have a mirror? If so, please look at yourself in it, and ask yourself this question!

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But the game is over. Your paid killers are feeling the heat of punishment, but of course, you will not see much of it in your FOX. It was the same with russian killers in Chechnya. Remember the women demo in Moscow? They were asking about they sons. And they became them. IN COFINS

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Feel the heat of the fire, that YOU are spreading throughout the world. You have practice on this, since your nation is founded on the blut of the Indians that you have "pushed aside". Shame on YOU. You are really a SHAME for the humanity.

Heat? I'm actually quite comfortable... Air conditioning you know.

There will always be forces trying to take over the world... That is the reality you fail to see Optimist. Whether it be the Monguls, the Romans, the Ottamans, the British, etc... The Americans of today are NOT controlling vast portions of the world. What they are doing is promoting demacracy (and not even a single version since pretty much all demacracies operate a little differently). A system of government where the people have the ability to decide on their leaders. How horrible!! ; )

What are the alternative to demacracy? I do not think you can come up with a better system. Nor has anyone else in all of mankind. A lot of the anti-Americans seem to support the terror groups??? Would they really want to live in a world were those maniacs make the big decisions? I think not. I think many people need to choose their bedfellows more carefully. Radical Islam is the biggest threat to the world not America.

It is commonly known that to much "Air Contitioning" is not healthy. Comfortability is a relative issue. Other peolpe feel themselves more comfortable without it, as with it.

It is good to know that you acknowledge the fact that USA is trying to take over the world. The USA is doing in under the pretext of "promoting democracy" and "war on terror". I think you fail to see the point of my posting. I didn´t deny this fact of reallity, rather i condemned it.

That the americans are not controlling vast portions of the world is most obvious. As long as 1 muslim is alive, they will not be able to do that. They may also be american muslims. Islam has no racist, region, colour, etnity or whatsoever borders.

You don´t really believe that in so-called "democratic states" the government is choosed and elected by the people?! The price is too hi, to allow the people decide who takes the biggest portion of the cake. You have plenties of examples in the "elections" all over the globe, with the best example in USA. The horrible thing in it is, what do people care how do you this corrupt system call, when it leads to world greatest rate of criminality, prostitution, corruption, murder, suicides, you name it ?!
Wake up.

Thinking seems not to be your best friend. ;)
Read something about the mankind, before making such statements about it. As for american "democracy", the world is now seeing its "best site". So, you should rather recompose your question in, " Why are every time less non-Americans supporting American Terrorism?". You seem to be one of those less americans also.

My answer is NO. I don´t want to live in a world where maniacs make any decision, let alone big decisions. That´s why I am writing this.

Well, americans chose their bedfellows. The Zionists are very pleased. And amerikans are "democratic" enough to let them run the country. Seems not to be a prospective "marriage". ;)

Radical Islam vorbids Corruption, Prostitution, Gambling, Adultery, Racism, Intoxicants, Criminality and all these things that "democracy" makes so attractive to the radikal western Zionism. Terrible, isn´t it?!?

I absolutely believe people choose the leaders in demacracies. And America is a perfect example of that... As is Canada, France, UK, Australia etc... You just don't want to believe that the vast majority of the world wants what you "reject". Demacracy is better, admit it or not, that is the truth.

Muslims think they don't want demacracy because they are brainwashed to think that way. Plain and simple. And told that if they don't believe the way they are told they are unIslamic. The sheep are people misled, the Koran is being misinterpreted and the whole Ideogy is being set-up for a major collapse... Radical Islam will be the loser, nike Nazism before it, etc... At the end of the day Demacracy will continue to rule the world. Not America or any single country.

People like you are afraid of demacracy and elections because you and your views are held by a small minority... So you CANNOT win under a democracy. So you try to tear it down. I can rest peacefully knowing that the vast majority of the world prefers demacracy and that will not change.

FYI, the US invented most of the stuff you are using right now. Continue to enjoy it sheep.

And since you want to compare demacracy to Islam...

I would rather have gambling than slavery (as is currently practised in muslim countries).

I would rather have prostitution than rape and child molestation that is prevelant and swept under the rug in muslim countries. I particularily like the law in Saudi Arabia where men can have temporary "marriages." Basically to legitimize prostitution, but since the temporary brides are usually children I would more call it legalized rape than prostitution... Or allowing young kids to marry... More child rape. And then the muslim countries lie about their crime rates. But you fall hook line and sinker for it.

Honor killings? How noble.

Please.

But you do get 72 virgins for cutting an infidels head off. How someone can believe this is beyond me. I suppose the "martyrs" paradise is the virgins hell. Forced to be a sex slave for eternity, by God no less. Someone must have gotten the translation wrong on that one. Yet the sheep keep eating it up.

I'll take demacracy any day. And in a demacracy you are free to disagree.

"Fascism could better be called 'corporatism', for it is merely themerging of state power with corporate power."-Benito Mussolini

The 14 Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
by Dr. Lawrence Britt

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14-defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. TOP

2. Disdain for
the Recognition of Human Rights -
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc. TOP

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats
as a Unifying Cause -
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. TOP

4. Supremacy of the Military -
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. TOP

5. Rampant Sexism -
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution. TOP

6. Controlled Mass Media -
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common. TOP

7. Obsession with National Security -
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses. TOP

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions. TOP

9. Corporate Power is Protected -
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. TOP

10. Labor Power is Suppressed -
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed. TOP

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked. TOP

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders. TOP

14. Fraudulent Elections -
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections. TOP

An interesting note to end this article: As of January 2004, the United States fulfills all fourteen points of fascism and all seven warning signs are present. But we're not alone. Israel also fulfills all fourteen points and all seven warning signs as well. Welcome to the new republic, redefined, revised and spun. It is not too late to reverse this in either country, but it will be soon. The first step is realizing it. The second step is getting involved. As the propaganda slogan disguising our current war goes, "Freedom isn't free." But our war for freedom isn't abroad; it's here at home

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The 7 conditions (Warning signs)
that foster & fuel fascism are:

Instability of capitalist relationships or markets

The existence of considerable declassed social elements

The stripping of rights and wealth focused upon a specific segment of the population, specifically the middle class and intellectuals within urban areas as this the group with the means, intelligence and ability to stop fascism if given the opportunity.

Discontent among the rural lower middle class (clerks, secretaries, white collar labor). Consistent discontent among the general middle and lower middle classes against the oppressing upper-classes (haves vs have-nots).

Hate: Pronounced, perpetuated and accepted public disdain of a specific group defined by race, origin, theology or association.

Greed: The motivator of fascism, which is generally associated with land, space or scarce resources in the possession of those being oppressed.

Organized Propaganda:

a) The creation of social mythology that venerates (creates saints of) one element of society while concurrently vilifying (dehumanizing) another element of the population through misinformation, misdirection and the obscuring of factual matter through removal, destruction or social humiliation, (name-calling, false accusations, belittling and threats).

The squelching of public debate not agreeing with the popular agenda via slander, libel, threats, theft, destruction, historical revisionism and social humiliation. Journalists in particular are terrorized if they attempt to publish stories contrary to the agenda.

3. Fascism dovetails business & government sectors into a single economic unit, while concurrently increasing in-fighting and distrust between the units fostering advancement towards war. TOP

4. a) Fascism promotes chauvinist demagogy, (appealing to the prejudices and emotions of the populace) by fostering selective persecution and accepted public vilification of the target group. It then promotes this a "patriotic", "supportive" or "the party line" and disagreement with such as "anti-government", "anti-faith" or "anti-nation".

Fascism creates confusion through "facts". It relies on junk science, revisionism, the elimination of cultural records/treasures and obfuscations to create its case and gain acceptance. Fascism can also combine Marxist critiques of capitalism or faith based critics of the same to re-define middle class perceptions of democracy and to force its issues, confuse logic and create majority consensus between targeted groups. This is also referred to as creating a state of Cognitive Dissonance, the mental state most human beings are easily manipulated within. TOP

5. Both middle and upper-middle-class dictated democracy and fascism are class dictatorships that use organized violence (verbal or physical) to maintain the class rule of the oppressors over the oppressed.

The difference between the two is demonstrated by the policies towards non-lower-working class classes. Fascism attains power through the substitution of one state's form of class domination with another form, generally a middle class based republic segues into an open terrorist dictatorship, run by a few elite.

The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State, its character, its duty, and its aim. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State. The conception of the Liberal State is not that of a directing force, guiding the play and development, both material and spiritual, of a collective body, but merely a force limited to the function of recording results: on the other hand, the Fascist State is itself conscious and has itself a will and a personality -- thus it may be called the "ethic" State....

...The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone....

...For Fascism, the growth of empire, that is to say the expansion of the nation, is an essential manifestation of vitality, and its opposite a sign of decadence. Peoples which are rising, or rising again after a period of decadence, are always imperialist; and renunciation is a sign of decay and of death. Fascism is the doctrine best adapted to represent the tendencies and the aspirations of a people, like the people of Italy, who are rising again after many centuries of abasement and foreign servitude. But empire demands discipline, the coordination of all forces and a deeply felt sense of duty and sacrifice: this fact explains many aspects of the practical working of the regime, the character of many forces in the State, and the necessarily severe measures which must be taken against those who would oppose this spontaneous and inevitable movement of Italy in the twentieth century, and would oppose it by recalling the outworn ideology of the nineteenth century - repudiated wheresoever there has been the courage to undertake great experiments of social and political transformation; for never before has the nation stood more in need of authority, of direction and order. If every age has its own characteristic doctrine, there are a thousand signs which point to Fascism as the characteristic doctrine of our time. For if a doctrine must be a living thing, this is proved by the fact that Fascism has created a living faith; and that this faith is very powerful in the minds of men is demonstrated by those who have suffered and died for it.

What the Americans are faced with is.. complete obliteration of their democracy... it is actually their inevitable downfall.. and the merger of corporation and government destroying their freedoms..

its very sad..

and now with their election being riged it is even more evident...

We have heard from 2mths that he died in an explosion out side Baghdad
Since that time we have not see his agley face.

Appears that this story was made up. The guy got a new job and, like the rest of us who have gotten new jobs, ceases work at his prior position. This makes even more sense when the old position was in Iraq and the new position is in the USA.

So why he is not appears on media any more???

I think he is died long time ago and I am challenging anybody to bring me a proof that he is alife now.

Many soldiers and commanders killed in Iraq but it is not allowd to say this on media.

It's common sense!! When you get a new job in a different country you do not still make appearances for your old job in a country thousands of miles away. This should not be so hard to understand. The guy is alive and well, believe it.

I say Osama Bin Laden was killed shortly after the taping of his last video by US Special Forces. It's being kept quiet so that the hunt for him can still be used for justification for future action... Prove me wrong.

Why does Osama not continue to make appearances if he is still alive?

Kimmitt was making appearances as part of his job, he no longer has that job... However, Osama's job is still the same... So where is the proof that he is alive?

We Americans are going to taste what? You terrorists are all the same....full of talk. I'm still waiting for all of these bold promises to happen. I have met you on the battlefield many times and I still have no fear. I swear if it wasn't for road side bombs....I seriously doubt that you would kill anyone other than innocent Iraqi civilians. Your "valiant insurgency" is nothing more than a band of common criminals and drug addicts, even the people of Fallujah want you dead. So now that the truth comes out, I find that the little bit of courage my enemy did have was due to the narcotics that he used. You are pathetic.
You are a disgrace to the Muslim people and are not worthy to claim such a repsectable faith as Islam. In the words of Allawi, "To hell you will go."

The Mouth of the Euphrates was killed in Iraq.

The US Army doesn't even have the guts to report it.

NOW, YOU KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY!

Why make up stories?... Propaganda?

Kimmitt is alive. Reality hurts I guess.

http://www.paraglideonline.net/archive/2004/7-29-04/index.shtml

Found this picture of Mark passing on his command, during a ceremony IN THE USA at the end of July... Same time he is supposed to have been killed in Iraq. Funny. I guess he took a vacation back to Iraq after he was releived of his duty. HAHAHA. Reality people. The guy is alive and well in sunny Florida taking in some rest and relaxation away from the spotlight.

No doubt about it.

I regret to inform you that the death of Kildroid Kimmitt in action in Iraq has been greatly exaggerated.

I was reminding us all of the report by Cpl. Block of Nov. 21, that Kimmitt was KIA. If it was true, no need to beat a dead horse's a--.

The fact is, Brig. Gen. Kimmitt is an Army Central Command planner and spokesman at McDill AFB in Florida. Hopefully someday he can be a Brig Inmate in Holland.

You can congratulate him about getting out alive -- or complain about it -- at: kimmittm (at) skynet.be .

Proof he is (at least nominally) alive is at:

http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2004/04/67286_comment.php#70498

Kimmitt's old man (86 yrs old) was interviewed by a Helena, Montana, newspaper:

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Kimmitt, who fondly remembers shooting gophers with his brother, also has not lost his down-to-earth attitude about life and the trials that he has faced.
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The article is at http://www.helenair.com/articles/2004/11/01/montana/a01110104_03.txt

This phony got started early in the killing business. He brought all three of his sons into his fun: They all are graduates of the West Point military academy, where apparently good order and discipline are no longer taught.

Another of his sons died in Washington, DC, after 18 years in a coma. Stan Kimmitt remarked, in essence, good riddance.

This looks like a good place to start a MARK KIMMIT FAN CLUB.

I nominate myself to be president. I promise to ferret out the truth about this ferret.

Of course, fan means "fanatic," and it doesn't mean we have to like him or even respect him.

There is a lot of interest in him, so the need for a fan club is obvious.

Remember Brig. Gen. Mark T. Kimmitt? He was one of the top brass US generals who gave countless press conferences detailing the American “progress” in the war in Iraq. For those who don’t know his background, Kimmitt's father, Joseph Stanley Kimmitt, is a former Col. in Army who morphed his military service into a Washington, DC, public relations, or lobbyist gig rather, called Kimmitt, Senter, Coates, & Weinferter. As son Mark promoted the war in Iraq, Dad was representing defense contractors such as Textron Defense Systems, Talley Defense Systems, and Boeing (makers of the Army's Apache attack helicopter). The Kimmitt’s are a classic example of the revolving-door syndrome of US military officers and defense contractors - the basis of the "military-industrial complex", the self -cloning monster that feeds on war, death, and destruction.

Up until recently, Mark was the very visible and exuberant “Gung Ho Kimmitt” but we have not heard from for sometime. On the DOD website, a press release dated April 22, 2004 (around the time of Fallujah 1) states that he received a promotion.

“Brig. Gen. Mark T. Kimmitt, commanding general, XVIII Airborne Corps Artillery, with duty as deputy director for operations, C-3/chief, military spokesman, Combined Joint Task Force-7, Iraq, to deputy director, plans and policy, U.S. Central Command, MacDill Air Force Base, Fla.” (that’s Florida, USA).

Oddly, he then pops up in press statements all through May inside Iraq. His last recorded briefing was released by the Pentagon Saturday, June 26, 2004 however it is unclear where he was physically located at that time. And then as if by magic, the PR man for the Iraq massacre disappeared.

That is, until now. Sources close to the resistance in Iraq tell us that Mark, along with other officers, was killed by Mujahideen in an ambush near Sammara. To further back up this claim, Cpl.A.Bock posted on Sunday November 21, 2004 at 12:01 AM to the Indymedia.org site the following:

I am sorry to tell you that Brig. Gen Mark Kimmitt was KIA just about two months ago in an ambush on the road to Baghdad airport. The info is still classified but I don't care, I lost both of my legs in a IED.

Coming from one of their own makes for a very convincing claim. If Brig. Gen Kimmitt is alive and well in Iraq or anywhere else, he could easily dispute these claims by simply making an appearance. Will the real Mark Kimmitt please stand up?

Source: JUS

http://www.1924.org/media_monitor/index.php?id=1625_0_30_0_C

CAIRO, Egypt Dec 4, 2004 — A senior U.S. military officer said Saturday that new pictures showing apparent abuse of Iraqi prisoners do not accurately reflect the good work done by the thousands of American soldiers in Iraq. But Gen. Mark Kimmitt acknowledged in an interview with al-Jazeera television that some people will use the photos to tarnish the image of America's military.

Kimmitt, a senior U.S. Central Command officer, spoke on the pan-Arab television network a day after the U.S. military launched a criminal investigation into photographs that appear to show U.S. Navy SEALs in Iraq sitting on hooded and handcuffed detainees, and photos of what appear to be bloodied prisoners, one with a gun to his head.

The photos, found by an Associated Press reporter, were among hundreds in an album posted on a commercial photo-sharing Web site by a woman who said her husband brought them from Iraq after his tour of duty.

Some of the photos have date stamps suggesting they were taken in May 2003, which could make them the earliest evidence of possible abuse of prisoners in Iraq. The far more brutal practices photographed in Abu Ghraib prison occurred months later.
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Kimmitt, who was the military spokesman in Iraq at the time of the Abu Ghraib scandal and is now based in Qatar, told al-Jazeera that he believes the photos show the acts of an isolated few.

After months of ongoing investigation, Kimmitt said the number of U.S. military troops involved in acts of abuse has been found to be very limited.

Asked by al-Jazeera if such pictures are a problem for the military, Kimmitt said they are certainly a "tool" and some will try to use them to show the U.S. military in a negative light.

An Arabic translator's voice was aired over Kimmitt's comments during the interview.

The photos drew strong reactions in Arab media.

"The two scandals confirm the image about the Americans known in the Middle East: that the Americans are not a charity or a humanitarian organization that is leading an experiment of democracy," said Sateh Noureddine, managing editor of the Lebanese leftist newspaper As-Safir. "Rather, (the U.S. government) is leading a retaliatory operation following the Sept. 11 attacks."

Noureddine said the photos "will definitely be front page news" in Monday's edition of his paper.

Yonadem Kana, a member of an Iraqi government advisory and oversight group, said the photos were "rare cases exaggerated by the media."

"As long as we do not have enough (Iraqi) forces, our situation will witness similar incidents," Kana said, adding that the Iraqi government will not keep silent over the photos.

One photo was published on the front page of the daily Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram. It showed three hooded prisoners pressed against one another on a floor with what appear to be white sheets wrapped around their torsos. The photo caption read: "Signs of a new scandal."

On a Web site known for its militant content, contributors posted some of the photos, showing the faces of the Navy SEALs one with a soldier sitting on top of a group of prisoners but with the faces of the prisoners blackened. The photos were similar to those carried by the satellite stations but had comments on them such as "God destroy America," and "God help the Mujahedeen," or holy fighters.

General Kimmitt is a good man. He is a soldier doing a soldier's job. I served under him in Germany, and am appaled at this web sites content.

I knew him not only as a soldier, but as as a person. Honest, upstanding and of good moral fibre.

Do something productive with your time

General Kimmitt is a good man. He is a soldier doing a soldier's job. I served under him in Germany, and am appaled at this web sites content.

I knew him not only as a soldier, but as as a person. Honest, upstanding and of good moral fibre.

Do something productive with your time

Mark Kimmitt is definitely alive. I saw him on FOX news being interviewed by geraldo on December 4, 2004. you may like it or not like it, but the truth is that he's alive and well. he was even asked about the new 150,000 troop deployment in iraq and the second battle in fallujah.

Dear Members and Groupies of the Mark Kimmitt fan club:

Your favorite killdroid is alive and is stationed in Qatar.

Is ABC News a credible enough source for you? Well, lookee here:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=304006

CAIRO, Egypt Dec 5, 2004 — A former military spokesman in Iraq said Saturday new pictures showing apparent abuse of Iraqi prisoners were the acts of an isolated few but will be used by some to try to tarnish the entire U.S. military.

Gen. Mark Kimmitt, now based in Qatar,

spoke on the pan-Arab television network a day after the U.S. military launched a criminal investigation into photographs that appear to show Navy SEALs in Iraq sitting on hooded and handcuffed detainees.
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I, Al, would also like to write the end of the story, but he is still alive.

Now we must keep track of Marky Malarky. Does anyone know what the killdroid has now been programmed for -- his new assignment???

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Y'ALL COME BACK SOON ... TO THE MARK KIMMITT "FAN" CLUB!

WELCOME TO ALL FANS OF THE US ARMY'S KILLDROID, MARK KIMMITT.
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For those of you who know Mark personally, please feel free to contact him at kimmitm (at) skynet.be. The (at) was used to prevent spamming Mark. Replace it with @.
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Well, your roving fan club president has finally caught up with Marky Malarky again. He is STATIONED in Qatar!!

Is ABC News a good enough source for you? Well, lookee here:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=304006

CAIRO, Egypt Dec 5, 2004 — A former military spokesman in Iraq said Saturday new pictures showing apparent abuse of Iraqi prisoners were the acts of an isolated few but will be used by some to try to tarnish the entire U.S. military.

Gen. Mark Kimmitt, now based in Qatar,

spoke on the pan-Arab television network a day after the U.S. military launched a criminal investigation into photographs that appear to show Navy SEALs in Iraq sitting on hooded and handcuffed detainees.

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WELL, AMERICANS AND AUSTRALIANS, THAT'S ALL FOR THIS TIME. Y'ALL COME BACK TO THE MARK KIMMITT FAN CLUB FOR THE LATEST ON MARKY MALARKY!!!

locked in a passionate embrace with Elvis at Crown Casino.

Don't believe me? Aks me mum!

Please understand that, with all this fan club business, we are deadly serious about Kimmitt.

He is the poster boy of the US military-industrial complex, the earthly source of most that is wrong with the US and the world. His father is an ex-Army man turned vendor to the Army -- a profiteer on the blood of this countrymen and people all over the world.

Old Stan Kimmitt, by hook AND crook, got Mark and two other sons into the West Point crime academy (it's not an army now -- no discipline or order).

Old Stan is hanging on as chief flack at his Washington PR (i.e., lobbying) company until son Mark can retire from the Army. The only question is whether the old man can hold on until Mark can join the company firm.

There are many more families like the Kimmitts, but they epitomize the MI complex, its revolving-door phenom, and its perpetuation.

Also, remember, Mark Kimmitt is the guy that called for the sacking of al Fallujah. He said that was the city that didn't "get it." Well, they got it: The whole city is in rubble. Thousands of innocents are dead. A couple hundred Americans are dead, on the other hand. American "Billy the Kids" shot anything that moves. Snipers shot toddlers. Were these counted as insurgents? Could be, if a soldier can't tell the difference between a child and a grown man. Many people were shot trying to flee Fallujah -- just because they didn't leave by the marines' deadline.

Some were shot as they swam for their lives.

Beyond Fallujah, there is Abu Ghraib and Gen. Karpinski (Bitch of Buchenwald?) and Lynndie England. Now there is photo evidence of the sadistic US Navy seals who twist men's testicles. Degenerates.

Fallujah got it. When do they get theirs?

The father of of the Iraq killdroid Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt has just died.

http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2004/04/67286_comment.php#70498

Now, Mark, do you know how your victims in Iraq feel who have lost fathers?

We didn't know how prophetic we would be when we posted our recent article saying that Stan the Man had to hold out till Marky Malarkey could get out of the service and take over the family profiteering business, Stan's lobbying firm for the military-industrial complex.

I would just like to respond to the post that Al Swalley recently put up. Stan Kimmit was a relative of mine, and although you call the Kimmit family Double Dippers, you are absolutely wrong. Stan was a very wonderful man who not only cared for his family, but absolutely loved his country. He did many things that were positive for this country. You are pretty much laughing in the faces of the Kimmits, which makes me sick. Sometimes you need to forget what a person has done professionally and consider the fact that the family is mourning. Stan's young, grandchildren, nieces and nephews might read what you wrote. Have a little bit of compassion for the family. Once again, you make me sick. It's people like you who make me proud that I'm not an American.

At least old Stan died knowing that his family weren't at imminent risk of death from stoned rock ape marines who have invaded his country.

How many of the Iraqis being blown to the shithouse by your hick, inbred, moronic kin have that small mercy Julian?

If you yanks had a small accident and blew yourselves off the face of the earth there'd be a world party.

As a soldier, I am not supposed to speak about how I really feel. But I just get so sad sometimes reading public opinion. I wish I could get promoted to president and tell the whole world that the US wants to be part of the whole. But the sad part is that the many Americans just want whats best for the US and screw the consequences to the rest of the world. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say. Maybe just to the world, there are many people like me who don't call ourselves Americans, but HUMANS. The real enemy is suffering and those who cause it WHOEVER they may be. Bush might say that his actions will help end suffering, but he is somewhat narrowminded. Soon America will have an intelligent person for a leader and good things will follow.

For what it's worth, I'm sorry world, for the actions of my statesmen.

Sincerely,
SPC *********

Remembering J. Stanley Kimmitt
Remarks by the U.S. Senate on December 8, 2004

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Editor's Note: Sadly, this week the DLC lost a long-time member, Stan Kimmitt. Stan had a distinguished career in the U.S. military and on Capitol Hill, and was a stalwart New Democrat. What follows are remarks made on the Senate floor remembering Stan. Our heartfelt condolences go out to his family and colleagues. He will be missed.
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The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Louisiana.

Mr. BREAUX. Mr. President, I rise to inform our Senate colleagues of the very unfortunate, untimely, and unexpected death of a person last evening who was truly a part of the family of the Senate. Although he was never elected to this body, he served this body with great distinction over a very long period of time and truly was part of the family of this distinguished body. I speak of Joseph Stanley Kimmitt, Stan Kimmitt, who served this body as Secretary of the Senate with great distinction from 1977 to 1981. Members who served during that period of time know how much he meant to the family of the Senate through his services, through his respect for this institution, for his understanding of the history of how important this institution is to our Nation and to the world.

Prior to that, Stan Kimmitt served as Secretary for the majority, as principal floor assistant to Majority Leader Senator Mike Mansfield from the State of Montana from 1966 to 1977. Prior to that, he was the administrative assistant or chief of staff to Senator Mike Mansfield.

Before he served the Senate, he served his country with great distinction in the U.S. Army during World War II. As a captain in the U.S. Army, he was selected to receive the Silver Star medal, the Legion of Merit, the Bronze Star medal and a number of other awards recognizing his service to our great Nation.

It was unfortunate that this man, who had seven wonderful children and a beautiful wife, passed away in a very untimely fashion, and I would just share it with the Senate family this afternoon. He was at a function where I happened to be receiving an acknowledgment of my service to the Senate, and Stan wanted to be there. He wanted to participate. After the principal person who was responsible for the function, the chairman of the Democratic Leadership Council, Al From, made his remarks, Stan stood up and said: May I say something? Of course, the answer was: Absolutely.

He said some very kind things about me, and he said some very kind things about the Senate and this institution and how important it had been in his life. He quoted my predecessor in this body, Russell Long, as saying: When I have a friend, I have a friend, and I will fight for him or her until hell freezes over, and then I will fight on the ice.

That was the kind of friend that Stan Kimmitt was. He pointed out that he had to correct Russell Long because Russell Long, when he originally made that quote, I say to my colleagues, did not have the words ``or her.'' It was just ``I will fight for him until hell freezes over,'' and Stan had the duty of saying to Senator Long, You should say him or her, and Russell Long certainly followed his advice.

What I will mention in closing is that last night he spent almost a half hour talking to a young staff person who worked for me, a young lady by the name of Jodi Bannerman, and he sat there and talked about his days in the Senate and what this institution had meant to him and some of the things he has seen in this institution and how it has changed over the years.

He said last night that when he was here, the Senate was truly one big family. It was not segregated. When I say segregated, he was referring to the interaction between the two parties, that it was not two armed camps he was talking about last night, that it was one big family. We had our differences. We fought hard. We stood up for the principles of the party, but it was one big family that he was honored to have been able to serve in the capacity of Secretary of the Senate.

He was telling my young staff person he was very concerned about how he has seen things change, and that was unfortunate, in his mind. He told her there were three principles, three truths he knew to be true, and she wrote this down after she spoke to him: Never sacrifice your principles, never ask for more than you deserve, and never quit one thing until you have something better.

He said that twice in her conversation with him last night. Stan quoted to her the Hamlet quote, ``To thine own self be true,'' as advice that he was giving this young person about her own life.

He did not mention any regrets, only great memories of this great institution, and I think anyone who has had the privilege of either working here or serving here and working as a Member, as I have and as we all have, understands what a great honor this has been. Stan Kimmitt personalized that last night.

After he made those remarks, he sat down and never got up. We know that he is happy where he is, and I think part of that happiness is the knowledge that he had the great honor and privilege of serving his country and this great institution

Senate Secretary J. Stanley Kimmitt, 86, Dies

By Patricia Sullivan
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 9, 2004; Page B06

J. Stanley Kimmitt, 86, a retired Army colonel, Democratic political consultant and former secretary of the Senate, died Dec. 7 after collapsing at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel in Washington, where he was attending a Democratic Leadership Council reception for retiring Sen. John Breaux (La.).

Mr. Kimmitt's family said the D.C. Medical Examiner's Office is investigating the cause of death. The office did not return phone calls.

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Mr. Kimmitt was secretary of the Senate, its top officer, from 1977 to 1981. Before that, he spent 11 years as secretary for the majority when the late Mike Mansfield (D-Mont.) was the Senate majority leader.

He went on to represent Hughes Helicopter, McDonnell Douglas Helicopter and Boeing Co. in Washington before founding in 1991 the political consulting firm now known as Kimmitt, Senter, Coates & Weinfurter.

A man of influence in Washington's permanent substructure of power, Mr. Kimmitt had careers in the military, political and corporate worlds. A decorated veteran who served in two wars, he was a member of the board of advisers for the Democratic Leadership Council since its inception in 1985 and helped introduce Gov. Bill Clinton of Arkansas to a wider audience.

As an assistant to Mansfield and as secretary of the Senate, he worked with a previous generation of political leaders, and he saw senators of substance and those enriching themselves, he told author Ronald Kessler for his book "Inside Congress" (1997).

"Without naming the senator, one practice was to sell him one hundred head of cattle for, say, one hundred dollars a head," Mr. Kimmitt told Kessler. "Then about three months later, buy them back at fifteen hundred dollars a head. It was a nice way to increase a senator's capital."

He added: "The greatest senator I've ever known was Dick Russell [D-Ga.]. (Russell) was not selfish, he was never on the take, he was frugal with government funds in his office. There was something about him that, if you walked in the room, you had the feeling of being in the presence of a significant person."

In 1981, when he left the secretary of the Senate's office, he remembered above all the long wrangling over the Vietnam War.

"What stands out is the great philosophical debate that went on during that period, the Mansfields, the Fulbrights, the Cooper-Church amendment," Mr. Kimmitt said. The 1970 Cooper-Church amendment forbade the use of U.S. troops outside South Vietnam.

In 1982, Mr. Kimmitt was profiled in a Washington Post article about how he influenced Congress on behalf of Hughes's AH-64 Apache attack helicopter. Although not registered as a lobbyist, he coordinated meetings with lobbyists and other political consultants, and took several House Appropriations Committee members on an elk hunting trip to his home state, Montana.

Throughout his life, his Montana ties remained strong. He helped form the Maureen and Mike Mansfield Foundation and even after he left its board, he attended every board meeting, said the foundation's executive director, L. Gordon Flake. He told a Montana reporter a month ago that he still considered himself a gopher-shooting Montana boy.

"He remained a humble Montanan and always fun to be around," said Walter F. Mondale, the former Democratic senator and vice president.

In Washington, he might have been seen wearing tailored shirts with monogrammed French cuffs adorned with Senate cufflinks. But his origins were humble.

Joseph Stanley Kimmitt was born April 5, 1918, in Lewistown, Mont., not far from where his father farmed wheat on borrowed money. A drought in the early 1920s wiped out the family's finances, and they moved to Great Falls, Mont.

Mr. Kimmitt attended the University of Montana, where he took an Asian history class taught by Mansfield, who was a professor there.

He served in the Army in Europe during World War II and was a combat commander. He fought at the Battle of the Bulge, crossed the bridge at Remagen and was in the first U.S. division to occupy Berlin.

During the Korean War, he was an artillery officer at Pork Chop Hill. S.L.A. Marshall wrote in his book, "Pork Chop Hill" (1956), that Mr. Kimmitt "had a habit of working physically as close to infantry as a gunner can get."

After earning a bachelor's degree from Utah State University in 1957, he served in the Army in Europe. He also served three stints as the Army liaison to the Senate and retired in 1966 as a colonel.

His decorations included the Silver Star and the Bronze Star, and he was inducted into the Field Artillery Officer Candidate School Hall of Fame.

After leaving the Senate, he became vice president of government affairs for Hughes Helicopter, then worked for McDonnell Douglas and Boeing before founding his firm. He lived in McLean.

Three of his children died: Margaret C. Kimmitt in infancy in the 1950s, Kathleen A. Ross in 2002 and Dr. Thomas P. Kimmitt in 2003.

On the morning of his death, Mr. Kimmitt was kibitzing in the Senate cloakroom on the Democratic side. That night, "he died doing what he loved best, going to a Democratic function and being involved in politics," Breaux said.

"He spent a half-hour [Tuesday] night talking to a young woman on my staff right before he fell over," the Louisiana senator said. "He told her: 'Never sacrifice your principles,' 'Never ask for more than you deserve,' and something like 'Never quit until you have something better.' "

Senate Secretary J. Stanley Kimmitt, 86, Dies

By Patricia Sullivan
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 9, 2004; Page B06

J. Stanley Kimmitt, 86, a retired Army colonel, Democratic political consultant and former secretary of the Senate, died Dec. 7 after collapsing at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel in Washington, where he was attending a Democratic Leadership Council reception for retiring Sen. John Breaux (La.).

Mr. Kimmitt's family said the D.C. Medical Examiner's Office is investigating the cause of death. The office did not return phone calls.

Mr. Kimmitt was secretary of the Senate, its top officer, from 1977 to 1981. Before that, he spent 11 years as secretary for the majority when the late Mike Mansfield (D-Mont.) was the Senate majority leader.

He went on to represent Hughes Helicopter, McDonnell Douglas Helicopter and Boeing Co. in Washington before founding in 1991 the political consulting firm now known as Kimmitt, Senter, Coates & Weinfurter.

A man of influence in Washington's permanent substructure of power, Mr. Kimmitt had careers in the military, political and corporate worlds. A decorated veteran who served in two wars, he was a member of the board of advisers for the Democratic Leadership Council since its inception in 1985 and helped introduce Gov. Bill Clinton of Arkansas to a wider audience.

As an assistant to Mansfield and as secretary of the Senate, he worked with a previous generation of political leaders, and he saw senators of substance and those enriching themselves, he told author Ronald Kessler for his book "Inside Congress" (1997).

"Without naming the senator, one practice was to sell him one hundred head of cattle for, say, one hundred dollars a head," Mr. Kimmitt told Kessler. "Then about three months later, buy them back at fifteen hundred dollars a head. It was a nice way to increase a senator's capital."

He added: "The greatest senator I've ever known was Dick Russell [D-Ga.]. (Russell) was not selfish, he was never on the take, he was frugal with government funds in his office. There was something about him that, if you walked in the room, you had the feeling of being in the presence of a significant person."

In 1981, when he left the secretary of the Senate's office, he remembered above all the long wrangling over the Vietnam War.

"What stands out is the great philosophical debate that went on during that period, the Mansfields, the Fulbrights, the Cooper-Church amendment," Mr. Kimmitt said. The 1970 Cooper-Church amendment forbade the use of U.S. troops outside South Vietnam.

In 1982, Mr. Kimmitt was profiled in a Washington Post article about how he influenced Congress on behalf of Hughes's AH-64 Apache attack helicopter. Although not registered as a lobbyist, he coordinated meetings with lobbyists and other political consultants, and took several House Appropriations Committee members on an elk hunting trip to his home state, Montana.

Throughout his life, his Montana ties remained strong. He helped form the Maureen and Mike Mansfield Foundation and even after he left its board, he attended every board meeting, said the foundation's executive director, L. Gordon Flake. He told a Montana reporter a month ago that he still considered himself a gopher-shooting Montana boy.

"He remained a humble Montanan and always fun to be around," said Walter F. Mondale, the former Democratic senator and vice president.

In Washington, he might have been seen wearing tailored shirts with monogrammed French cuffs adorned with Senate cufflinks. But his origins were humble.

Joseph Stanley Kimmitt was born April 5, 1918, in Lewistown, Mont., not far from where his father farmed wheat on borrowed money. A drought in the early 1920s wiped out the family's finances, and they moved to Great Falls, Mont.

Mr. Kimmitt attended the University of Montana, where he took an Asian history class taught by Mansfield, who was a professor there.

He served in the Army in Europe during World War II and was a combat commander. He fought at the Battle of the Bulge, crossed the bridge at Remagen and was in the first U.S. division to occupy Berlin.

During the Korean War, he was an artillery officer at Pork Chop Hill. S.L.A. Marshall wrote in his book, "Pork Chop Hill" (1956), that Mr. Kimmitt "had a habit of working physically as close to infantry as a gunner can get."

After earning a bachelor's degree from Utah State University in 1957, he served in the Army in Europe. He also served three stints as the Army liaison to the Senate and retired in 1966 as a colonel.

His decorations included the Silver Star and the Bronze Star, and he was inducted into the Field Artillery Officer Candidate School Hall of Fame.

After leaving the Senate, he became vice president of government affairs for Hughes Helicopter, then worked for McDonnell Douglas and Boeing before founding his firm. He lived in McLean.

Three of his children died: Margaret C. Kimmitt in infancy in the 1950s, Kathleen A. Ross in 2002 and Dr. Thomas P. Kimmitt in 2003.

On the morning of his death, Mr. Kimmitt was kibitzing in the Senate cloakroom on the Democratic side. That night, "he died doing what he loved best, going to a Democratic function and being involved in politics," Breaux said.

"He spent a half-hour [Tuesday] night talking to a young woman on my staff right before he fell over," the Louisiana senator said. "He told her: 'Never sacrifice your principles,' 'Never ask for more than you deserve,' and something like 'Never quit until you have something better.' "

For what it's worth, I worked for BG Kimmitt when he was Colonel in Germany and Bosnia. I do not support the war at all, but I can say in his defense that as a commander he was very focused on doing the mission right. He cared a lot about his people and he took an active interest in the rebuilding process in Bosnia. I don't envy his job briefing the press on the mess that Tommy Franks left, and I don't think we should blame this guy for what is a rotten job to get stuck with thanks to Shrub and his decisions.

I served under General Kimmitt for almost two years and if you yo-yos knew how dedicated he is to our country and how self serving he is, then you might think otherwise. He's a great man, and for certain, he has not had a decent night's sleep since he put on his uniform. Somebody has to do his job and he has my vote, although many of you don't have a true clue of what duty, honor and country really mean.

It always seems that people who don't have the inteligence to attack the message go after the messenger,

re: SGT Michel
I loosely know Gen. Mark Kimmit through his family and his brother Bob. From the stories I grew up to about their family and watching Mark on the news in the beginning of the war I have to stand up and support him. From the little I know he seems like a man devoted to honor and duty. His entire family is devoted to our country. I am glad to see others such as SGT Michel attesting to this. I'm proud of anyone in uniform even though I myself can not wear one due to genetics.

I have worked for or around BG Kimmitt for the last 12 years. He is a true patriot of this country and the Soldiers he has worked with.