Hitler: green guru : Melbourne Indymedia

THE big risk in making films about Hitler isn't that you make the Nazi dictator look too nice.

It's the very opposite, as we saw this week with Channel 7's hit mini-series, Hitler: The Rise of Evil.
The real danger is making Hitler seem plainly crazy and evil - leaving viewers unable to understand why such a man won so much support from so many people, and not only Germans.

We need instead to know what led people to admire Hitler, rather than to see him for what he was: an enemy of freedom.

We need to know this, because some of the same cultural forces that helped Hitler -- such as the green movement -- are among us again today.

Of course I'm not saying that green activists are closet Nazis. Nor do I think Australians will ever pull on jackboots, torch Parliament House and fling liberal politicians into concentration camps. Still . . .

There is no one reason for Hitler's rise. Luck had something to do with it, so did violence. The men who opposed him were weak. But that wasn't all.

Hitler's preaching about German strength and destiny was water in the desert to the millions of Germans who'd been stripped of pride, security and hope by their humiliating defeat in World War I, and the terrible unemployment that followed.

The world was also mad then with the idea that a dictatorial government should run the economy itself and make it "efficient", rather than let people make their own decisions.

The Nazis -- National Socialists -- promised some of that, and their sibling rivals in the Communist Party more.

The theory of eugenics -- breeding only healthy people -- was also in fashion, along with a cult of health.

The Nazis, with their youth camps and praise of strong bodies and a strong people, endorsed all that, and soon were killing the retarded, the gay and the different.

Tribalism was popular, too. People weren't individuals, but members of a class, as the communists argued, or of a race, as the Nazis said. Free from freedom -- what a relief for the scared!

You'd think we'd have learned. But too much of such thinking is back and changing us so fast that we can't say how our society will look by the time we die.

A KIND of eugenics is with us again, along with an obsession for perfect bodies.

Children in the womb are being killed just weeks before birth for the sin of being a dwarf, for instance, and famed animal rights philosopher Peter Singer wants parents free to kill deformed children in their first month of life. Meanwhile support for euthanasia for the sick, tired or incompetent grows.

As for tribalism, that's also back -- and as official policy. We now pay people to bury their individuality in tribes, giving them multicultural grants or even an Aboriginal "parliament".

But most dangerous is that we strip our children of pride, security and even hope. They are taught that God is dead, our institutions corrupt, our people racist, our land ruined, our past evil and our future doomed by global warming.

Many have also watched one of their parents leave the family home, which to some must seem a betrayal.

They are then fed a culture which romanticises violence and worships sex -- telling them there is nothing more to life than the cravings of their bodies.

No one can live like this and be fulfilled. People need to feel part of something bigger and better than ourselves -- a family, or a church, or a tradition or a country. Or, as a devil may whisper, the greens.

The greens. Here's a quote which may sound very familiar -- at least in part.

"We recognise that separating humanity from nature, from the whole of life, leads to humankind's own destruction and to the death of nations.

"Only through a re-integration of humanity into the whole of nature can our people be made stronger . . .

"This striving toward connectedness with the totality of life, with nature itself, a nature into which we are born, this is the deepest meaning and the true essence of National Socialist thought."

That was Ernst Lehmann, a leading biologist under the Nazi regime, in 1934, and he wasn't alone. Hitler, for one, was an avid vegetarian and green, addicted to homeopathic cures. His regime sponsored the creation of organic farming, and SS leader Heinrich Himmler even grew herbs on his own organic farm with which to treat his beloved troops.

HITLER also banned medical experiments on animals, but not, as we know to our grief, on Jewish children. And he created many national parks, particularly for Germany's "sacred" forests.

This isn't a coincidence. The Nazis drew heavily on a romantic, anti-science, nature worshipping, communal and anti-capitalist movement that tied German identity to German forests. In fact, Professor Raymond Dominick notes in his book, The Environmental Movement in Germany, two-thirds of the members of Germany's main nature clubs had joined the Nazi Party by 1939, compared with just 10 per cent of all men.

The Nazis also absorbed the German Youth Movement, the Wandervogel, which talked of our mystical relationship with the earth.

Peter Staudenmaier, co-author of Ecofascism: Lessons from the German Experience, says it was for the Wandervogel that the philosopher Ludwig Klages wrote his influential essay Man and Earth in 1913.

In it, Klages warned of the growing extinction of species, the destruction of forests, the genocide of aboriginal peoples, the disruption of the ecosystem and the killing of whales. People were losing their relationship with nature, he warned.

Heard all that recently? I'm not surprised. This essay by this notorious anti-Semite was republished in 1980 to mark the birth of the German Greens -- the party that inspired the creation of our own Greens party.

Its message is much as Hitler's own in Mein Kampf: "When people attempt to rebel against the iron logic of nature, they come into conflict with the very same principles to which they owe their existence as human beings. Their actions against nature must lead to their own downfall."

Why does this matter now? Because we must learn that people who want animals to be treated like humans really want humans to be treated like animals.

W E must realise a movement that stresses "natural order" and the low place of man in a fragile world, is more likely to think man is too insignificant to stand in the way of Mother Earth, or the Fatherland, or some other man-hating god.

We see it already. A Greenpeace co-founder, Paul Watson, called humans the "AIDS of the earth", and one of the three key founders of the German Greens, Herbert Gruhl, said the environmental crisis was so acute the state needed perhaps "dictatorial powers".

And our growing church of nature worshippers insist that science make way for their fundamentalist religion, bringing us closer to a society in which muscle, not minds, must rule.

It's as a former head of Greenpeace International, Patrick Moore, says: "In the name of speaking for the trees and other species, we are faced with a movement that would usher in an era of eco-fascism."

This threat is still small. But if we don't resist it today, who knows where it will sweep us tomorrow?

Hitler also wore shoes - with socks.

By Andrew Bolts logic, that must make everyone who wears shoes and socks a little Hitler wanna be.

Yaya Andrew Bolt - showing us again how correct the mindless right are.

Don´t freak out. The environment movement is divided quite strongly into two main groups. 1/ Politicians obsessed with their personal power playing out some retarded jesus the saviour personality roll play/mid life crisis.
2/ Direct-action forest activists involved in communal culture apart of which is the contempt of the state and all other social hierarchies.

The first group are predominately useless, so they try to boss the more substantual other group about and then speak as ´adults´on their behave, as a precursor for speacking on everyones behalf.

The second group hate and mistrust the first group and are infact the absolute antithesis of the Hitler Youth.

But I agree with your views towards the green politicians in the first group.
They are not radicals, they have little or no experience outside the comfort zone of the middle class. They are blind but speak with loud voices. They wish to lead. They think it is their educated middle class right. They are system people- they wish to run the machine and they are hollow little empire builders milking the efforts of the real environment activists. Peter Garette is typical.
At the rally against the war in Melbourne he addressed 200,000 people supporting an invasion of Iraq if it had U.N support. And who is the U.N- a coalition of violent nation states bent on power. He and his associates in the greens are naive and hungry, and they want to be chums of the power ellite. They are hypnotised by the carrot and stick of their own careers.
Direct action gets the goods/build communities not states. A globel community has no government, a globel community has not currency, a globel community is the some of organic culture comming from below to abolish all law. Only a human race free of the law imposed from above by ruling class interests can live in harmony with the earth- all else leads to the divisions born of inequality, wars and destruction.

I agree and just add that a lot of the nazi's socialism was hung with piano wire in 1934,the night of the long knives.Even before then the autobahns and other mass engineering was going on.Mass industrialization reliant on a Tony Abbott's wet dream of industrial relations.
The nazi's put out a lot of propaganda that was contradicted by their deeds,all governments do this,some more than others.The animal rights shtick is a particular lie when you consider that part of the training in dehumanization of SS trainee's was to torture animals to death.
Check out 'The third Reich,a new history,' by michael Burleigh and see how much Goebbels and Bolt have in common.peter Costelo and Goerring.
Bush and Hitler.The US is now the Forth Reich.

Sorry - I was there with over 200,000 other people and we predominantly agreed that we refused to support the war whether it had UN backing or not.

That's over 200,000 Australians in Melbourne who got up off their arses, and filled Swanston Street and Federation Square until no one else would fit.

Again - over 200,000 of Bolt's cultural elite. You know - the educated ones.

Hitler was also a great admirer of Henry Ford, who helped re/build Germany's industry and like Nazi's idealised Speed and Effiiency, promoted by building bloody great roads all over the country, which of course came in very handy for war.

I'm not saying there aren't some similarities 'tween nazi propaganda & some eco-philosophy, but there are more major differences, and more to be scared of in the Orwellian language of Howard & Ruddock:
"illegal non-citizens", "War for democracy and peace", "weapons of mass destruction (program)". Goebells (sp?) lives.
. I've seen ethnic and class diversity celebrated and sought by greenies

If the Green movement really was that similar to Hitler Andrew Bolt wouldn't have a problem with us. Hitler got the help he got because those who helped him saw him as a way of stopping socialists, anarchists, and others who might just pose a threat to their positions of priviliege and power. If Greenies were as friendly with the rich and powerful as Hitler was Andrew Bolt would be cheering us on.

this whole thread has been most entertaining - a red herring wrapped up in a green sandwich.

sure, bureaucracy shares a slavish need for order and hierarchy. and the power-hungry prefer dictatorships, as do the aspirant accolytes who seek someone to navigate them through the abyss of their fears.

so, what do these generalisations, quite valid in isolation, all mean? not much, when the social contexts within which they exist are completely different. this is apparently what andy bolt time and time again misses.

sure, our robust correspondent could spend his time (and valuable column inches) highlighting the entrenched politicisation of the public service, or the ages-old shadowy nexi between major industry and government policy in all their manifold variety; for that would actually inform our rather naive understanding of the kind of "democracy" we live in. instead, tho, he seems content to waste everybody's time with pseudo-exposés on why he believes out-workers shouldn't have union representation, or some other such rabid drivel.

and instead he sends his readers, on this occasion, down the bottom of the garden to gaze at peripheral "similarities" between a brick and a flower.

this is about as close to 'truth telling' as andy gets, you see... rather reminiscent of his howard`esque attempt to get people arguing over whether "stolen" or "removed" should be applied to the thousands of aboriginal children taken away from their natural parents last century by force of statute.

of course, i mentioned 'teflon john' cos he's a master at diverting the public mind from scrutinising the important issues of the day (remember his pre-war masterstroke "don't blame the military, blame me" remarks, prior to which nobody had even thought it was an issue, but after which it was suddenly a schismatic argument of patriotic ramifications? that one worked a treat for our TJ!).

good to see makhno's still around. don't know if the dream of a 'no gods no masters' autonomous global organic community is particularly viable given the predilections of human psychology, but it's a reverie i return to from time to time, myself. i guess it gives spiritual and emotional sustenance out there at the near-mercy of what can appear at times a bleakly overwhelming state of affairs.

peace, all

patient: doctor, "i think everybody hates me."
psychiatrist: "not everybody knows you."

The nazi's are 'brown bombers' when it comes to the envinment.No the real worry here are the leninists.
GREEN LEFT WEEKLY remember?
Lenin himself was a 'whatever it takes' kinda guy.He used Imperialist funds,hired mercenaries and stole anarchist and populist slogans such as 'All power to the Soviets!"
That was when soviets were workers councils.Three years later and self management and a lot of peasants,moderates and anarchists were dead.
many shot by the butcher of Moscow,the Ukraine and Kronsdadt,ol Snowball Leon Trotsky.
Rank opportunist liars,thieves and mass murderers that overtook hitler in the mass murder business would pose as Greens.
They ARE posing as greens.
Only they are RED FASCISTS not Andy 'tomorrow belongs to me" Bolt BROWN FASCISTS.
Marxist socialism is dead,National Socialism is dead.
Tomorrow belongs to democratic and libertarian socialism - Anarchism.
"It's the environment stupid."

For a green funeral forget pouring on petrol and burning or embalmbing,please consider a green funeral.

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Traditional funeral practices harm the environment; green burials let the earth rest in peace.

by Jill Neimark

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JANUARY/FEBRUARY 2002—We recycle bottles, cans, and newspapers. Human bodies may be next.

At least, that’s what a Swedish environmental biologist recommends: returning corpses to the earth as freeze-dried organic fertilizer, a moral and economical form of “green” burial. Scientist Susanne Wiigh-Masak, a consultant in Sweden, says this type of green burial requires only a few steps: Freeze and then immerse the body in liquid nitrogen to dry it, let it crumble into an odorless, hygienic, fine powder, then slip it into a biodegradable coffin. Within a few months, the coffin and remains are compost.

“This is an ethical way of giving back to nature, and of understanding that death is a possibility for new life,” Wiigh-Masak says.

So far the method has been successfully tested on cows and pigs, and it may be ready for humans within the next year—and the Church of Sweden has given the method provisional approval. That’s not surprising, says Dieter Hessel, a Presbyterian minister and social ethicist who is director of the Program on Ecology, Justice, and Faith in Princeton, New Jersey. “The doctrine of resurrection of the body in Christian liturgy used to be interpreted literally, but I would say that’s changing. More Christians are interpreting it as a unification of the self with God, and that doesn’t necessarily require that a body is preserved and buried.”

The new method is part of a growing green burial movement that advocates natural burials, and might someday replace crematoria with compostoria—turning dead bodies into organic mulch and burying them in economical cardboard coffins that quickly degrade. Biodegradable gravestones or specially planted trees can mark burial sites. The green burial movement is already popular in England, which has more than eighty nature reserve burial grounds. But green burial is just beginning to spark an interest here in America.

Traditional methods of burial are not environmentally friendly: Toxic embalming fluids, as well as the copper or lead in expensive caskets, can leak into the ground and water supply. Wiigh-Masak says it may take as long as sixty years for an embalmed body in a coffin to decompose. According to the Rainforest Action Network, approximately three hundred thousand wooden caskets are made in the United States each year, using as many as 50 million board feet of wood. And traditional cemeteries often require the use of lawn mowers, fertilizers, and herbicides.

Crematoria release harmful chemicals into the atmosphere—including carcinogenic hydrocarbons from coffins and mercury vapor from dental fillings. The typical body in a crematorium burns at about 1600 degrees Fahrenheit for three to five hours. A 1990 Swiss study by the Electric Power Research Institute found that mercury vapor during cremation of a person with the average number of amalgam fillings was toxic enough to poison the fish in five 10-acre lakes. A 1999 report from San Francisco’s Public Works Department found that crematoria were the third-highest contributor of mercury in the region. Cremation “turns the body from an organic to an inorganic form. Ashes are not food for living soil,” Wiigh-Masak says.

Yet in the United States, where cremation is cost-efficient, more than one thousand crematoria collectively conduct five hundred thousand cremations a year. “Forty percent of baby boomers list cremation as their choice for disposal of their remains,” says Billy Campbell, a physician and director of a green cemetery in South Carolina. But he sees green burial as growing in popularity. “Our market research suggests the potential [green burial] market for boomers is in excess of 10 percent of what is now a $20 billion annual market.”

Burial rites have deep roots in both religion and science, and often have to satisfy the aims of both. In stunning but barren Tibet, where the land is rocky and ground burial is impossible, bodies are given sky burials. It is believed that the vultures that come to feed are really goddesses called dakinis. Egyptians embalmed the body so that the soul could return to it after a three-thousand-year journey, but the practice was also a sanitary solution to burying the dead in the often-flooded Nile valley. Babylonians, Persians, and Syrians preserved their dead in jars of honey or wax, which prevented bacteria from flourishing.

Cremation was probably invented around 3000 B.C.E., and was the most common method of burial in ancient Greece and Rome. It has become increasingly popular as a sanitary, economical and space-saving method of disposal, but the Roman Catholic Church banned it in 1886, and Jewish custom saw it as a mutilation of the body.

Traditional Jewish burial simply consisted of wrapping the body and applying oils and spices. “Embalming is not traditionally associated with Jewish, Islamic, and Baha’i burials,” says Dave Lowe, founder of the Ozarks Full Life Church and the North America Woodland Burial Society. “These faiths require a simple burial that is dignified and done within a specific time, and reflects man and his relationship to God.

In the past thirty years, the commercial promotion of embalming has increased in the United States. In essence, we have sold embalming just as we have Coca-Cola.”

Lowe says he’s witnessed green burials in which spouses, children, parents, and friends were involved in the loving, respectful act of the preparation of the body.

“It’s a much more complete spiritual journey than found in regular commercial burials,” Lowe says.

At Memorial Ecosystems, in the Blue Ridge Mountains, the Ramsey Preserve functions as a green cemetery. “We encourage clients to see a healthy nature preserve as their real monument,” says Campbell, the preserve’s director. Gravestones are often crafted from stone occurring naturally in the area. This is in sharp contrast to velvet-lined caskets made of fiberglass (“protecting the body from the environment, and the environment from the body, for countless tomorrows,” as Michigan’s Oak Grave International boasts), or burial vaults that are as secure as bunkers—made of concrete bonded to plastic and copper and designed to resist 5,000 pounds of pressure per square inch.

Freeze-drying and composting the dead would certainly be more costly than a simple green burial, but a freeze-dried body produces up to 65 pounds of pure organic matter that would enrich the soil. “The remains make splendid potting soil,” says Wiigh-Masak. “We have a common responsibility to take care of the nature that was created by the God we believe in.”

http://www.science-spirit.org/articles/Articledetail.cfm?article_ID=279

'Gorbachev's dachas' upset Russian Greens

Building plan endangered forest land

Nick Paton Walsh in Moscow
Sunday July 20, 2003
The Observer

Mikhail Gorbachev, the Soviet President turned leading environmental campaigner, has infuriated ecologists by seeking permission to build luxury cottages on 110 acres of protected green-belt forest outside Moscow.
Four months ago, Gorbachev visited the Moscow City Woods Directorate to request permission to build dachas - luxury country houses cherished by Russia's rich - on land at Krasnogorsk, just outside the city limits, according to senior officials.

'The Gorbachev Fund has asked for several dozen acres, 12 kilometres from Moscow,' said Viktor Novikov, deputy head of the Moscow City Woods Directorate. 'We refused, and a special decision of the government will be needed to build there. I don't know what the Prime Minister, Mikhail Kasyanov, will decide.'

A spokesman for the Gorbachev Fund, Vladimir Polyakov, insisted the request had been dropped once its ecological impact had been revealed. 'The question is closed,' he said.

Gorbachev has, since his defining role in bringing the Soviet Union to an end, become a leading light in the environmental movement in Russia. President of the group, the Green Cross, he wrote in its last newsletter of the 'horrendous state and exploitation of the world's natural water sources' - the very reservoirs and lakes that Russia's dacha complexes can contaminate. He also heads the Gorbachev Fund, a Moscow-based think-tank, that made the request to build on protected land.

Fellow environmentalists expressed dismay at a leading campaigner making a request so clearly against the values of his public persona. Vladimir Chuprov of Greenpeace Russia said: 'There is only one word to describe the actions of a person who with one hand pretends to protect the environment, but with the other plans to destroy it. That is hypocrisy - even if this person is the ex-President.'

Gorbachev's request puts him uncomfortably close to the hoards of Russian businessmen and influential people who have laid waste to the delicate ecology of forests around Moscow. Last week Greenpeace released a report detailing the huge toll that dacha building has taken on the city's 'green lungs'.

The Russian Land Code permits building on woods near the town only in 'exceptional cases'. Greenpeace says 30 square km of woodland has been built on in recent years, but that exact figures are impossible to come by.

Guslyana Kortyushova, a lawyer for Greenpeace's Russian branch, said: 'The Ministry for Natural Resources says under 500 acres of woods have been given up for dachas around Moscow over the last 10 years. But a quick glance at the countryside will make you multiply this figure 10 or a hundred times. The laws are violated everywhere.'

She says one advert offers 'a precious house that awaits you under ancient pines, a few metres from the River Moscow, equipped with a garage and ample parking'. Yet it is illegal to build under ancient pines, within 100 metres of a river or to provide access for cars to river areas.

The dachas are renowned for displaying the excesses of Russia's hyper-rich, men such as Roman Abramovich who bought a controlling stake in Chelsea Football Club this month for £140 million. A 300 square metre country house in Podushkino town, 14km from central Moscow, will set you back £1m. Jacuzzis, private tennis courts and gyms are regular fare, and helipads are not uncommon.

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Every time you compromise the tactics of direct democracy and direct action for political ´gain´; every time you vote to elect a repressentative within the machine, you arrest your own rights.
Politicans are not allies, they are thieves robbing freedom with an agenda designed primarily to intoxicate themselves with self-importance.

Politicians like Garette love to feel the energy released by the cheering crowds and the cheering crowds too become momentarily intoxicated in the process. Hitler and Lenin were masters of this art. They both spoke of power, as if they were handing it out, yet in reality they were sucking it up, draining it out of people like the psychic vampires they were. The German people reaped their rewards just like the Russians, a civilisation in ruins, the steady death march to the grave behind the Pide pipers hypnotic notes, a melody of insanity.
Over and over they play the tune, these new wantabes, what poor musicians they are.

Here is the difference, when a true anarchist speaks they speak of freedom not as a tactic to lowwer the crowds guard, but as a reality- they speak of the social organisation necessary for the actual contruction of a free society; they speak of the crowds empowerment and not of their own.
A good politician, the lowwest form of social life, is no more than a good magician, and freedom and equality disappears before the crowd like some cheap card trick, and the crowd cannot see where freedom and equality went because it was never fucking there in the first place because freedom and equality must be fought for, they are never handed out by tsars, masters and magicians because they have none to hand out because they don´t hand out, they take and they take all.
Personal self interest amidst the intoxication of the crowd kills all good will like brain cells poping punch drunk on 100% alcohole. It is all the madman can do to hind their true ambition- the ambition to be permanently drunk.
The safety they offer you is false. Because safely does not come before freedom, safety only follows freedom.
We will only be fully safe when these social vampires no longer exist as puppet masters pulling us about from above. Their pedistoles must be smashed.
Smash the state or die in a nuclear holocaste, the truth is far more fucked up than the worst nighmares of science fiction.
Sure, we would all rather go pick flowers and watch the sun set, but if we do not call a spad a spad then the legacy of the human race will be little more than cockroaches and toxic waste. Here´s to a green future free of social drunks and their mad state machines.
Greens unite with unions for a world wide general strike to bring the system down upon it knees and toppling into the grave.

No compromise
The pendulum swings, the factories are full of the weary and discontent, there are furals in the woods.

called humans the "AIDS of the earth",

I resemble that statement ! (BKM Corp - building and rebuilding the human genome)

Makhno (closet fascist nazi bully i poke you in the third eye) Where am I? Category 3? Who will speak out for the pot smoking mung beans of Inverse Spin 101? Andrew Bolt save me!!!

Out of the pot kettle black and into the right handed frying pan.

No you dont mean greens, you mean micro pin headed bureaucrats. There not unlike (excuse me I just farted) from the Herald-Scunge.

what is a red fascist, and what makes him/her a fascist???

While Bolt is correct in showing a correlation between eugenics and (what is laughingly called) the "environmental movement", he - as I'm sure his NWO masters intend - fails to understand its nature. Makhno is correct in pointing out that the environment movement is basically split between libertarian warriors, and authoritarians. Unfortunately, it seems to be the latter who dominate mainstream "debate" on environmental issues. This is hardly surprising considering that the authoritarian green movement has its origins in the eugenics movement and is largely financed and supported by global ruling elite figures. A name which pops up consistently is the Rockefeller dynasty.
For some more on the Rockefellers (and others) and their long time support of eugenics and global dictatorship, check out http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/new_world_order/UN_Rockefeller_Genocide.html and http://www.trunkerton.fsnet.co.uk/Eugenics.htm
Also, http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/new_world_order.html has a number of links to related topics. Another interesting site which I've only recently discovered which explores "population control" - http://afgen.com/populate.html
The modern authoritarian "environment movement" got a major jumpstart with the public launch in 1968 of The Club of Rome. It was launched by the then chief executive of Fiat Motor Company, Aurelio Peccei (a member of the elite "Commitee of 300") at a meeting of global elite figures at the Rockefeller's (them again) private estate at Bellagio in Italy. The Club of Rome - founded and sponsored by elite industrialists - is the driving force behind the modern eugenics movement, which of course isn't officially called that - the Nazis having given eugenics a bad name.
The WWF - founded by Nazi collaborator Prince Bernhard, now run by Prince Phillip - is another fine example of a eugenics front. More on this disgusting organisation and just some of its crimes can be found at http://www.eco-action.org/dod/no7/76-78.html
Curious that the owners of car companies and oil giants are ostensibly so concerned about the environment, especially when they blame the problems of the environment on the rest of us - http://www.us-government-torture.com/Populationcontrol.htm
So to briefly summarise - and this little post doesn't do this vast topic justice - the elite groups/networks who sponsor the authoritarian "environment movement", between them dominate:
1) The global oil industry.
2) The global finance industry.
3) The global pharmaceutical industry.
4) The global food industry (Unilever is one particularly nasty company which springs to mind).
5) The military industrial complex, particularly in the West.
6) The mass media, particularly in the West.
7) Much of global industry generally.
The above just scratches the surface of the documented webs these pathological manipulators weave.

Is any of this reason to NOT look after the environment? No, of course not. But it should be a wake up call for well meaning environmental activists who have been hoodwinked by the WWFs of the world. Particularly when these "environment" groups advocate ridiculously impractical "solutions" for environmental problems, such as seriously suggesting that windmills, ethanol and solar panels are a serious alternative to fossil fuels - thus ensuring that the fossil fuel industry is not really threatened.

Briefly on Marx. I have no doubt he's made some important contributions to world thought, but the fact that some people worship him to the point of calling themselves Marxists is a bit of a concern. Considering that Marx had close connections with the British aristocracy through his marriage to Jenny von Westphalen and his industrialist mate Engels had made a fortune exploiting child labour, his "working class credentials" seem slim to non-existant. While we're on the topic of "Communism", who were the major backers of the Bolsheviks? - http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/
Who helped finance and industrialise the Soviet Union? - http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/best_enemy/
And the Nazis....? - http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/
Curious how the same organisations and dynasties keep popping up.......

Do all of these historical and other coincidences represent a massive conspiracy or set of conspiracies? I honestly don't know, though it does seem likely.
What I think is more important is to work towards solutions. Many conspiracy theorists - including some who expose these networks - have their own agendas and often propose authoritarian solutions. Going back to "the good old days" is often proposed, conveniently ignoring the fact that there is really nothing new about the "New World Order", and that the old days weren't necessarily that good!

It seems to me that nothing significant will improve in the political/economic/etc. arenas until people collectively work on *empowering themselves*. Empowered people have no need to give away their power to this or that Alpha-male. Part of the reason I expose this horrible dark stuff is to kind-of tell people, "Get off these stupid bandwagons! They're being driven by the same people anyway!"
I found this quote by Makhno quite inspiring - "We will only be fully safe when these social vampires no longer exist as puppet masters pulling us about from above. Their pedistoles must be smashed."
They must indeed. It is no exaggeration to say that if we keep allowing these Alpha-males - these conspirators, if you like - to lord over the Earth, the consequences for humanity will be incalculable. As indeed, they already are.
Let's roll!

In case anyone's wondering why so much of the "Left" seem so incompetent, maybe it's because they allow the various networks of manipulation to sponsor their main media outlets. This website analyses some of these links, which may explain why the "Alternative press" ignored glaring evidence which showed Bush admin complicity in the 9/11 attacks, and why they fell for the Bush admin's "Osama did it" crap hook, line and sinker.

Yes its distrubing that people call themselves marxist's - have they red capital, i think not.

Funnily enough using the Marxist/Hegel history of successive cause and effect on Marx himself, I can say Marx was liberal.

He actually lauded capitalism for its emancipation of the peasants and driving force for the establishment of the working class.

Now the working class have become the middle class – middle class have been working class in disguise all along though.

Obviously, when he said, “smash the sate” he was a drunken dickhead.

Anyway, I am concerned about smash the state rhetoric and this seems to be a greenie 60's drop out mentality.

Drop out or engage. We need you guys.

Makhno –“Smash the state or die in a nuclear holocaust, the truth is far more fucked up than the worst nightmares of science fiction.

How far will you go, what alliances you will make to smash the state.

Democracy is the only way to go.

Anyway the state is already gone, corporations are going, decentralisation has already happen the post-capitalist society has arisen.

Sorry folks we have had the revolution has already going on and you have been part of it.

This site is part of it.

Something beyond Plato elitism, fascism, socialism fascism, Capitalist fascism and corporatism.

The commercialisation of politics signifies the end of politics and the start of direct liberal and social democracy.

This may be scary, extremists like bolt, Adams, Moore, may ruin countries, risky but worth it.

For rich white middle class young liberals like Nick the state may not mean much.It is a depressing reality for some others with their eyes open.His prattish Austrian economics would not last five minutes without a state,public or private.The state is a social relationship of coercion.See...

http://world.std.com/~mhuben/libindex.html

Costa Rica has no army,that is the only statism I'm interested in.

Sorry Nick, but did you get your social theories from between the slices of an out of date double cheese burger you found in a bin out the back of a Mc Donalds car park in South Yarra or did you read ´green ´´left weekly upside down on acid while watching MTV on another planet?

It really is amazing what you find when you key the words Andrew Bolt + Dickhead into Google. That's how I found this site. keep up the good work.